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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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JonF Member (Idle past 196 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
So there's just no way you get anything the conservatives are saying about these things
I hear and understand what you and other conservatives are saying. It's evidence-free horseshit. It's contradicted by reality. And by the evidence I and others have ported.
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Percy Member Posts: 22500 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
JonF writes: Taking the guy out made the world a better place. Taking out Soleimani perhaps had the positive result of replacing him with a less adept implementer of Iranian terrorist policy, but that policy continues. One positive development is that Iran is giving external indications that they'll be more restrained in their terrorism efforts going forward, but if true it's temporary. Before the end of the year they'll be right back at it. That's especially true if their efforts at refining radioactive materials for nuclear bombs bear fruit. They likely have bombs all ready to go just waiting for nuclear material. They already have ballistic missiles, having demonstrated their range and accuracy just a few weeks ago. A nuclear Iran will be much more aggressive than the current Iran. Announcing a successful bomb will provide a great boost to Iranian prestige and give the government a great boost internally. So I can't agree that the world is a better place. I think it's a more dangerous place now.
It also distracted from impeachment. I think that's why he did it, too. --Percy Edited by Percy, : Grammar.
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Percy Member Posts: 22500 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
marc9000 writes: But I was treated quickly and efficiently. Don't think I would have been in another country with its wonderful health care for all. What makes you think that? Here's a page with a lot of cancer data: Cancer - Our World in Data. The UK, France and Germany are all within 5% of the US as measured by lost years of productive life due to cancer. Italy, Switzerland and Austria fare significantly better, and Sweden, Norway and Finland, countries with the strongest social programs in Europe, fare best. Embarrassingly, Mexico, Nicarague, Panama and Peru all fare significantly better than the US.
My cancer story is different - yes I've been there too. A lousy 50/50 insurance plan, and no money. I was diagnosed in late 2012, I remember Buzsaw's death being on my mind at that time. 8 hours of surgery in November, and chemo and radiation all through the first half of 2013. Unable to work my regular (self employed) job, but was able to do some side work in my garage during that time, to help hold down the credit card hemorrhaging somewhat. Applied for some of the social security that I'd been paying into for the previous 40 years, but was told since I wasn't projected to be disabled for a full year, that I couldn't get a dime of it. So I often worked when I was quite sick, re-structured the remaining debt with my good credit, and paid / am paying it. No complaints. It did neither you nor your country any good for you to suffer both health-wise and financially for something that was just the luck of the draw. It is far better to spread the costs across the country as a whole, making the entire country richer because you're able to return to a full and productive life more quickly. --Percy
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Taking out Soleimani perhaps had the positive result of replacing him with a less adept implementer of Iranian terrorist policy, but that policy continues. One positive development is that Iran is giving external indications that they'll be more restrained in their terrorism efforts going forward, but if true it's temporary. Before the end of the year they'll be right back at it. Not with Trump in the White House they won't, or if they continue in secret we'll know about it and be prepared to undo their efforts. They only get away with that stuff when we have a weak appeaser like Obama in the White House. But they know Trump is ready and willing to knock out their means of terrorism. Which of course our intelligence people are keeping their eyes on and keep Trump informed about. Trump does not want to have to do any such thing so the hope is that they will not continue on their track to improving their means of aggression, but if they do Trump will be prepared to discourage them from it again. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Trump does not want to have to do any such thing so the hope is that they will not continue on their track to improving their means of aggression, but if they do Trump will be prepared to discourage them from it again. There is no military means to discourage terrorism.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
That all sounds fishy to me but I'm going to have to see what the conservative sites have to say. For a while the idea was that there was a warning of the attck that allowed those on the bases to take cover in tunnels. There was some claim that the Iranians had not really aimed to cause harm because they knew the retaliation would be ferocious, and then we started hearing about this advance warning as the reason nobody was hurt.
Your report only mentions a few men injured anyway, not killed, so the main information that thousands were not harmed seems to be true. If anyone had been killed Trump would have retaliated and that doesn't seem to have happened. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The military means to discourage terriroism includes such actions as taking out Solemeini, destroying arsenals and delivery systems. Terrorism is endemic to Islamicism so the motive will always remain but we can certainly destroy some of their methods of harming people.
Trump said he has 52 targets in mind to attack if necessary. I'm sure the Islamic State took notice. And the nonmilitary means of sanctions is no doubt a discourager too. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 762 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
If anybody had been killed....
But since several of our folks were merely injured, we just said that nobody was injured and surpressed the news that they actually were for a couple of weeks. Got ya, loud and clear. Thanks.
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vimesey Member (Idle past 100 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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Terrorism is endemic to Islamicism All these years socialising and working with Muslims, and I've clearly not been noticing all the times they've blown me up, shot me and stabbed me. You would have thought I'd have noticed, but clearly there must be some miracle going on, where every time it happens, I get resurrected and healed and my memory gets wiped. From here on in, I'm keeping my camera phone switched on !Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The jihadi commands are in the books of Islam, but that does not mean all Muslims are even aware of them or would obey them if they were. Fortunately. But the commands are there and sometimes you get Muslims of a strict mindset who feel they must obey to be good Muslims. The Ayatoallah Khomeini preached clearly that it's only cowardice and disobedience that keep Muslims from following these clear commands of Allah in the Islamic literature, and of course we know he determined to obey them himself, shich is how the Iranian Islamic State was formed in the first place. Sometimes "liberal" Muslims who ignore that part of their religion get captivated by it and become terrorists. Because the commands are there to be obeyed if anyone decides to do that.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The only connection between his list of 52 targets and terrorism was that his boast was terrorism writ large.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The 52 represents the number of hostages taken in 1979.
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JonF Member (Idle past 196 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Remember?
Well, after pissing off South Korea by canceling exercises and shaking them down, the net result is: North Korea abandons nuclear freeze pledge, blames 'brutal' U.S. sanctions | Reuters
quote:Thank you Donald Trump!
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Percy Member Posts: 22500 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
marc9000 writes: marc9000 writes:
This makes no sense. There is no ultranationalism among the Democrats. "Authoritarian ultranationalism" goes along with the big government beliefs of today's Democrats far more than it does with the individualistic beliefs of Republicans. quote: Ultranationalism - Wikipedia Promotes the climate change interest of one political party, to take over most all decisions in how energy will be produced and used? You're off in la-la land again. Neither nationalism nor ultranationalism has anything to do with climate change, and there are no serious proposals for the government "to take over most all decisions in how energy will be produced and used." Neither is there any authoritarianism. I think you're equating authoritarianism to advocacy of any policy you disagree with. No, I'm worried about what new authority climate change alarmists want to give to the government. Was government in Pittsburgh in the 1940's alarmist when they instituted changes to clean the air after too many days like this? Was the government too authoritarian? This image was taken around noontime:
I lived in Pittsburgh for a few years while in grad school. I would often leave one of the windows in my bedroom open a crack for some fresh air. In the morning the edge of the window sill would be covered in black soot. One of the main buildings of the University of Pittsburgh (I didn't attend there) is the Cathedral of Learning (from down the street we called it the Tower of Ignorance), a many storied building whose westward side (the windward side) was perpetually blackened by soot. Every ten years or so they would clean that side of the building. They no longer have to do that. Because the climate changes we're already seeing in the form of rising sea levels and and melting glaciers and sea ice and more frequent powerful weather events are real, those calling attention to them cannot be called alarmist, just as those calling attention to Pittsburgh's pollution problems could not be called alarmist. They're realists. Climate change is very real and very threatening and on the verge of reaching a tipping point where there is no going back. Your worries about government becoming too authoritarian are contrived. Your inability to accept climate change as real and human-caused forces you to invent reasons for doing nothing.
It could very much affect my life personally. Climate change has already affected millions of lives personally, and the numbers will only go up, and they already include you. Here's what the EPA says about how Kentucky's climate has already changed at What Climate Change Means for Kentucky:
quote: And you can read here what climate change will do to Kentucky in the future: Climate change in Kentucky - Wikipedia
Does Trump or Republicans threaten anything in your personal life? I'm affected by everything Trump and the Republicans do because the country I live in is affected by everything they do. Let me count the ways:
You are buying into a false right wing narrative. That liberals are labeling conservatives fascists is just something David Limbaugh is making it up so he can compose a "no we're not, you are" piece. Surely you've heard of "Antifa". They are a left wing hate group, that opposes right wing beliefs. Antifa - Wikipedia(United_States) Of course I've heard of Antifa. I'm on record as denouncing them and their tactics, possibly in this very thread somewhere. There are crazies on both ends of the political spectrum. So what? Assuming David Limbaugh isn't talking about crazies on the left, liberals are not calling conservatives fascists.
marc9000 writes: ...that they only want some power, and will stop when they get only a prescribed amount, that could be true. But it doesn't square with the history of human nature. Uh, given that both Democrats and Republicans are human, isn't it kind of a stretch to level this charge solely at Democrats? No, because Republicans don't seek gun control,... No, Republcans don't seek anything as sensible and rational as gun control. They seek to control women's actual bodies. What's next, adultery and sodomy laws?
...don't seek to take over energy production and use,... Well I see you've learned your Trump lesson well, just keep repeating the same lie over and over again. No one on the left is seeking a government takeover of energy production and use.
...don't seek complete government control of health care,... "Complete government control" is an exaggeration, but socialized medicine is widespread around the world providing people with what should be a basic human right, access to healthcare. You of all people should know that. What would have become of you had you had no insurance instead of 50/50?
The rural poor who support Trump and Republicans in disproportionate numbers are those most likely to suffer under their policies. The much better health coverage than Obamacare that Trump promised has yet to materialize as even a proposal. The cancelling of many coal mining regulations means that the people of coal mining regions like West Virginia will suffer with increasingly poor water quality, often to unsafe levels. Rolling back clean air regulations means we'll all breath dirtier air. And a rockin' economy doesn't really boost rural areas much but does greatly benefit those already making a great deal of money in urban areas. Rural area people obviously don't agree with you. Yes, that's clear from what I just said. They've been bamboozled.
They value freedom,... That would be the freedom to die in the unregulated coal mines of the rich who own them, and suffer from the effects of the polluted groundwater these unregulated coal mines cause?
...and consider themselves able to monitor their own water and air qualities without additional government commands. You're speaking for the poor in West Virginia now? I very much doubt the poor are monitoring their own water or air quality, especially air quality which requires specialized equipment. And let's say they do discover that their air or water is polluted. What are they going to do about it given that the EPA regulations preventing it are gone?
You have yet to explain, despite at least a couple inquiries, how trading carbon credits causes money to flow into Democratic coffers. quote: Climate Change Hoax Exposed - Cal Thomas also;
quote:(bolded mine) https://moneyweek.com/732/how-to-profit-from-carbon-trading Once again your answer has nothing to do with the question. How does trading carbon credits cause money to flow into Democratic coffers?
The big fallacy here is that officials are elected to serve the people who voted for them and not their entire constituency. Certainly it is true that Trump believes he is the president of those who voted for and support him, and screw everyone else, but Trump's ethical and moral compass has been adrift since long before his election. This is not the way a working democracy functions. Those elected, especially to statewide or national office, serve all their people and must take as a fundamental obligation being a unifying rather than divisive force. Trump doesn't seek to win over those who disagree with him. He seeks to delegitimize and disenfranchise them. And Obama did? Obama Tells Republicans to 'Sit in Back' | Fox News I didn't say anything about Obama. I'll condemn any president who acts as a divisive force. The passage the title refers to is this one:
quote: It seems particularly tactless to say the Republicans have to sit in back like blacks during Jim Crow, but the factual portion of what he says is accurate. The Republican repeal of Glass-Steagal is what led to the 2008 financial meltdown that Obama had to deal with when he became president the following year. Obama successfully led the country out of that mess with the Republicans kicking and screaming all the way. Economic growth resumed in 2010 and continued right through the end of the Obama administration and on into Trump's.
You've been misled on this one, plus you obviously didn't watch the video because clicking on it brings up the message:
quote: You can get the straight story here, and it includes working video: https://www.washingtonpost.com/...ed-to-bankrupt-coal-plants
Which of these do you see as selfish desires: Decent healthcare? Security in old age? A clean environment? National Parks that aren't sliced up for resource exploitation? Addressing climate change? Safe food and drugs? Fair labor practices? Decent housing? Affordable public transportation? Meaningful oversight of industry? Green energy? Affordable higher education? All of them. Democrats and their constituents want them, and want someone else to pay for them. This is untrue. Democrats want the society they are a part of to pay for them, sharing the wealth so as to enrich everyone.
Seriously? You think the driving force is jealousy of Republicans? Really? YES. Not only the rich ones, but the poor ones who, nevertheless, enjoy satisfying, FREE, productive lives. The plight of the rural Republican poor seems more like a prison. There's no jealousy there. What you say is very strange. If Democrats were truly jealous of Republicans they'd just become Republicans. There are no laws keeping people from changing parties. Happens all the time.
You just said that Republican voters are hard working and personally responsible, while Democratic voters are idle. This is almost repugnantly cynical. marc9000 writes: So many of them don't care about liberty, they take no advantage of the liberty that is available to them. Why do you feel moved to say such absurd things? I know it's not politically correct, but I see evidence for it. Democrat strongholds include the slums of LA, San Francisco, Chicago, NY City. Just because poor areas of rural America have a much lower population density than cities doesn't mean they aren't slums.
If they're not on a government handout and actually work a job,... Is this truly your view of the average Democratic voter? If so, where are you getting your information from? Most people who have ever lived in this world have lived in bondage. In Democrat voters, I see people who take this country's liberty for granted. Again, where are you getting your information from that Democrats seek to avoid work and live off government handouts? --Percy
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You obviously don't know when Trump is flattering an enemy tyrant. I'm sure he was hopeful that what he said was true but he's not stupid, he knows such a personality is not likely to hold to his promises. It's not a failure/lle at all, it's a hopeful statement designed to mollify the tyrant. That's Trump's style, it's a businessman's style.
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