Catholics are making it up.

ringo writes:Complete would be more than just good. You are limiting your made-up god.

Rev 1:8NKJV writes:"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End," says the Lord, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

Rev 17:8 writes:The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Rev 13:1-4 writes:Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name. 2 Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority. 3 And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast. 4 So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, "Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?"

Rev 18:1-11 writes:After these things I saw another angel coming down from heaven, having great authority, and the earth was illuminated with his glory. 2 And he cried mightily with a loud voice, saying, "Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and has become a dwelling place of demons, a prison for every foul spirit, and a cage for every unclean and hated bird! 3 For all the nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth have become rich through the abundance of her luxury."4 And I heard another voice from heaven saying,"Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities. 6 Render to her just as she rendered to you, and repay her double according to her works; in the cup which she has mixed, mix double for her. 7 In the measure that she glorified herself and lived luxuriously, in the same measure give her torment and sorrow; for she says in her heart, 'I sit as queen, and am no widow, and will not see sorrow.' 8 Therefore her plagues will come in one day -- death and mourning and famine. And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the Lord God who judges her.
"The kings of the earth who committed fornication and lived luxuriously with her will weep and lament for her, when they see the smoke of her burning, 10 standing at a distance for fear of her torment, saying,'Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! For in one hour your judgment has come.'11 "And the merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her, for no one buys their merchandise anymore:

Phat writes:I prefer assigning evil to what God is not.

Phat writes:Rather than having God be "complete" as in completly responsible for every stubbed toe, aborted baby, and war or storm, we find the dragon taking the hit.

Phat writes:... this Beast character was, is not, and yet is....

Phat writes:You can laugh at the silly absurdity of the apologists....

Phat writes:And I know critics will say that this whole interpretation is negative and silly, but I encourage skeptics to keep it in mind as our planet becomes more crowded, wars happen due to competition over diminishing resources, and global warming takes its inevitable toll.

jar writes:t's possible to learn from the content of all scripture and the purpose of all scripture is to market the position favored by the author.
The reader's task is to test the content against reason, logic and reality.

ringo writes:The only Satan is us - but us including Iran of course.

ringo writes:The consequences of overpopulation, etc. have nothing to do with that utterly stupid interpretation of the Revelation.

2 Peter 3:1-4 writes:Beloved, I now write to you this second epistle (in both of which I stir up your pure minds by way of reminder), 2 that you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior, 3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, "Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation."

Phat writes:So if we get involved in wars over diminishing resources....

Phat writes:you guys have no faith in God and lots more faith in humanity (without God) than I do.

Phat writes:Scoff much, ringo?

Phat writes:What does logic say will happen given the history of human nature and war? The planet clearly will become unsustainable for everyone. Some will have to go.

Phat writes:So if we get involved in wars over diminishing resources as global warming rises, according to experts, to the water level of the statue of liberty's elbow and noting that most great cities are near sea level, what would logic suggest that humans will do...nevermind what they must do.
you guys have no faith in God and lots more faith in humanity (without God) than I do.

Phat writes:So of course miricles happen sporadically in other religions.

What you fail to understand is that all religions are not simply relative to the culture.

God stepped out of eternity into time on this planet and happened to speak to the people whom He did for a reason.

I would guess that out of 1000 miracles reported, perhaps 10% are genuine.

GDR writes:As I have said before, I contend that there has been a progressive understanding amongst humans and our understanding evolves, and that continues to this day and will in the future as well.

Tangle writes:You can contend all you like but you have absolutely no reason to contend it.You know no more about your god than the iron age men that first invented him. All that is 'known' about your god is written in those books that you hold so dear. Everything since is invention on top of that original invention.

jar writes:Where is the evidence of any god ever doing anything?

Is there evidence of humans doing things?

GDR writes:Those books are evidence, as is the fact that the first followers of Jesus clearly believed that Jesus had been resurrected. I am not saying that the evidence is conclusive. We have come to different conclusions about whether or not the resurrection was a historical event.

Phat writes:I prefer assigning evil to what God is not.

That's contradicted by your own quote, Revelation 1:8, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End," says the Lord, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." That doesn't include anything that God is not.

Phat writes:You never seem to rely on God to do anything so what's the whole point of a belief, anyway?

Phat writes:To do that would invalidate my claim of being a believer since my definition of being a believer involves believing in His influence. It does little good believing in an aloof God.

Phat writes:It seems your emphasis in your definition of being a believer is that you, along with other humans, belong to this club and that the club motto is to do what the club figurehead once wrote about doing. In this context, it is irrelevant if the club figurehead(Jesus Christ) still lives, ever lived, ever was God, or communes with humanity at all.

GDR writes:Those books are evidence

as is the fact that the first followers of Jesus clearly believed that Jesus had been resurrected.

jar writes:What war has killed as many people as the flu?

And funny you bring up 2 Peter since you and I have discussed it many times. It is the clear example of the necessity for the Apologist.