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Author Topic:   The Giant Pool Of Money. Implications
ringo
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Message 371 of 423 (818247)
08-25-2017 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 369 by Phat
08-24-2017 4:22 PM


Re: Hollowed Out Middle Class
Phat writes:
I have no debt
I have a savings account
I make more than I need to live on
And why is that? Do you work harder than the non-union cashier at the supermarket down the street?

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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 385 of 423 (818302)
08-26-2017 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 372 by Phat
08-25-2017 2:19 PM


Re: Union 101
Phat writes:
If all of the cashiers were in the union, it would be the same as the working class uniting with the middle class, which is apparently what you hope to achieve.
But your way isn't working. We've had unions for a hundred years and the result is that the unionized workers have insulated themselves from the non-unionized workers. Union members tend to have an "I got mine" attitude (mirror, mirror). They're as much an enemy of the working class as the exploitive employers are.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 389 of 423 (818358)
08-27-2017 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 386 by Phat
08-26-2017 1:30 PM


Re: Union 101
Phat writes:
My union actively is involved with non-unionized workers who wish to become unionized.
That's not what I'm talking about. The members of the Rolls-Royce Club may want more people to join but they know everybody isn't going to join. I'm talking about transportation for the rest of us.
The fact is that most low-paying jobs are not going to become unionized. The unions care nothing for the majority of non-unionized workers.
Phat writes:
I really don't see what more you expect unions to do.
That's just the point. I don't expect unions to do more because they've never done more before. It's not a problem that unions are going to solve.
Phat writes:
Right-To-Work laws weaken us further since employees can no longer count on solidarity among the labor force.
That ought to be a clue for you. There are people willing to do your job for less and there are employers willing to exchange you for them. But if the working class wages were higher, there would be less incentive for both of them.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 391 of 423 (818426)
08-28-2017 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 390 by Phat
08-28-2017 8:03 AM


Re: Union 101
Phat writes:
You seem to want to put the most pressure on the middle rather than where it belongs---on the top.
Why does it belong at the top? It's YOUR job that's threatened by low wages, so why don't you bear any responsibility for the solution? Putting the blame on somebody else and expecting somebody else to pay is what caused the problem in the first place.
Phat writes:
In my mind, you would advocate pressure more on the 15% to share their wealth before even addressing the 5% with the lions share.
How do you propose to "address" the ones with the lions' share? They can spend a lot of money on accountants and lawyers to avoid paying. Why should we spend more money on our own accountants and lawyers to try to get them to pay more? It's just a vicious circle.
The sensible solution is for the people who use the services to pay for them. Why is it such a bad idea to help them be able to pay?

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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 393 of 423 (870734)
01-24-2020 11:06 AM
Reply to: Message 392 by Phat
01-24-2020 10:44 AM


Re: Hollowed Out Middle Class
Phat writes:
I'm not sure what Trump has done except lower tax rates on the wealthy and increase global warming through domestic fossil fuel production.
Rule 1 in the Voter's Handbook: "Never trust anybody whp promises to lower taxes."
Phat writes:
And you still want the middle to pay taxes and give our two mites to the poor.
That's what Jesus wants.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 398 of 423 (870740)
01-24-2020 11:33 AM
Reply to: Message 395 by Phat
01-24-2020 11:23 AM


Re: Hollowed Out Middle Class
Phat writes:
And here we have ringo claiming that Jesus wants our last two mites.
It's the Bible's claim.
Phat writes:
I suppose if I hold one back i will get struck dead like Ananias.
Instead of mocking what the Bible says, why don't you actually ADDRESS the quotes? (in an appropriate thread.)

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 406 of 423 (870917)
01-26-2020 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 404 by Phat
01-25-2020 3:48 PM


Re: Solutions
Phat writes:
We get to share the blame.
How productive is that?

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 408 of 423 (870921)
01-26-2020 2:07 PM
Reply to: Message 407 by Faith
01-26-2020 1:48 PM


Re: Realistically
Faith writes:
It's just envy that makes the sluggard nations hate us....
We neither hate you nor envy you. We're often baffled by your idiocy.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 410 of 423 (870927)
01-26-2020 2:31 PM
Reply to: Message 409 by Faith
01-26-2020 2:25 PM


Re: Realistically
Faith writes:
Why isn't there as much inventiveness among you as their has traditionally been in America?
What makes you think there hasn't been? Try googling "Canadian inventions". Wikipedia has a nice list.
Faith writes:
I don't really see why other free nations wouldn't promote the same inventiveness.
Well, we don't brag about it as loudly.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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