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Faith 
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Message 4561 of 5796 (870934)
01-26-2020 3:48 PM
Reply to: Message 4560 by Percy
01-26-2020 12:55 PM


Re: Trump Lies Yet Again
At least I hate the right things.

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vimesey
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Message 4562 of 5796 (870937)
01-26-2020 4:10 PM
Reply to: Message 4561 by Faith
01-26-2020 3:48 PM


Re: Trump Lies Yet Again
On what basis would anyone who hates, believe they hated the wrong things ?

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Percy
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Message 4563 of 5796 (870938)
01-26-2020 4:12 PM
Reply to: Message 4516 by JonF
01-25-2020 9:44 AM


Re: Trump Lies Again
JonF writes:
Er, I'm not Faith.
Note to self: don't post while on a bender.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 4564 of 5796 (870940)
01-26-2020 4:18 PM
Reply to: Message 4520 by Faith
01-25-2020 9:58 AM


Faith writes:
yeah I heard a lot of what the nauseatingly underhanded dishonest Schiff said in such hifalutin sanctimonious tones. I may not have the stomach to listen to your offering. Talk about making a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
There's no facts, no information, no reasoned argumentation, nothing of substance to reply to. Just hate.
Let's assume, for the sake of discussion, that Schiff is the most hateful, horrible, dishonest, lying, cheating person in the world. It doesn't change the fact that the testimony of Trump administration officials before the House Intelligence Committee still happened. Try commenting on something real like that instead of constantly giving voice to all your hate. It grows old.
--Percy

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Faith 
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Message 4565 of 5796 (870941)
01-26-2020 4:58 PM
Reply to: Message 4564 by Percy
01-26-2020 4:18 PM


I make the mistake of thinking you all hear the same information I hear, but of course all you get is the fake news that extols the leftists and ignores or vilifies those on the right, and i'm not good at keeping track, too bad. Ben Shapiro called Schiff "seriously dishonest human being" or something like that. Can't even remember the adjective. Well, obviously I'm not the person to represent my point of view here but there's nobody else. You'll never hear any of this if I don't post. But maybe that's all right. You'll all just remain in your own little fantasy bubble.
Oh sometimes Marc comes along and tells you the truth about these things. I'm glad of that.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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marc9000
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Message 4566 of 5796 (870942)
01-26-2020 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 4537 by Faith
01-25-2020 2:07 PM


Re: Trump's Tweet in Farsi Much "Liked" in Iran
You treat me as if I were the only one with my point of view, but that's only true within EvC, and even here there are a couple others who more or less share my point of view at least occasionally or on certain subjects. But I get most of my stuff from the many voices "out there" including information about the intelligence services I mentioned. These voices represent some sixty three million people who voted for Trump. I'm only alone in here. And it does get very lonely at times.
They do try very hard here to make this forum look like it represents mainstream America, don't they? This place represents 15, maybe 20% of political beliefs in the U.S., no more.

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Percy
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Message 4567 of 5796 (870946)
01-26-2020 5:39 PM
Reply to: Message 4537 by Faith
01-25-2020 2:07 PM


Re: Trump's Tweet in Farsi Much "Liked" in Iran
Faith writes:
You treat me as if I were the only one with my point of view,...
This is the fallacy of argumentum ad populum. The number of people believing something is not what lends it credibility. It's facts.
...but that's only true within EvC, and even here there are a couple others who more or less share my point of view at least occasionally or on certain subjects.
Nobody's forgotten Marc9000, LamarkNewAge, Hyroglyphx or ICANT.
But I get most of my stuff from the many voices "out there" including information about the intelligence services I mentioned.
Your "stuff" is notable by its complete lack of supporting evidence or reasoned argument. You're reasoning is apparently that Trump is innocent because the left are a bunch of liars who hate Trump, but this is another fallacy.
Let's say you lived in a town where one of the policeman hated you, doesn't matter why. One day you go through a red light and he gives you a ticket. That he hates you does not mean you are not guilty of going through the red light.
This is basically what you are arguing, that Trump is innocent because the left hates Trump. That's absurd. I have no idea how many hate Trump (neither do you), but many are very frightened and disturbed by the damage he's doing to our country, to American institutions, and to the very idea of America itself.
And even if everyone on the left hated Trump (they don't), it wouldn't have anything to do with whether Trump committed impeachable offenses. Trump administration officials testified before the House Intelligence Committee that Trump attempted to coerce the Ukraine into announcing investigations into the Bidens that would help his presidential campaign. He attempted to coerce them into doing this by holding out the carrot of an Oval Office visit and by the withholding of military aid. There's no counter-evidence, and the first day of presentations of the Trump defense team indicates they don't have any.
They, and you, are ignoring everything testified to before the House Intelligence Committee. These witnesses from the Trump administration described different but overlapping parts of the same story. Your right-wing commentators probably don't talk about that testimony, I'll bet, unless it's to lie about it. It's all on video, so if you have any claims about the testimony then claim away.
What Trump's lawyers have provided is a list of "facts" from an alternative universe. In their pretend universe the Ukraine didn't even know the military aid was being held up, when the reality was that they were already inquiring about what happened to the aid before Trump's July 25th phone call.
They also pretend it was Ukraine that interfered in the 2016 election for Hillary, not Russia for Trump, when there is no evidence for that whatsoever. It's just completely made up.
And they pretend the subpoenas were invalid because the House had not voted to begin an impeachment inquiry, despite that no such vote is required (check your Constitution), and anyway the White House continued to ignore the subpoenas even after there was a vote.
They also pretend the phone call transcript doesn't include a quid pro quo, even though it does ("do us a favor though"), and even though Mick Mulvaney said at a news conference, "We do it all the time, get used to it."
And they pretend the president was denied due process in the House, despite that he was invited but declined.
(See https://www.washingtonpost.com/...y-entitled-their-own-facts)
Can you provide any support for these alternative "facts." It would be surprising if you could, because the president's men certainly couldn't. In this they are like you. They think it sufficient to simply say it, not show it.
These voices represent some sixty three million people who voted for Trump. I'm only alone in here. And it does get very lonely at times.
This is still the fallacy of argumentum ad populum. Is there not one among you who can offer anything factual?
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 4568 of 5796 (870950)
01-26-2020 5:53 PM
Reply to: Message 4537 by Faith
01-25-2020 2:07 PM


Re: Trump's Tweet in Farsi Much "Liked" in Iran
Duplicate post.
Edited by Percy, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 4569 of 5796 (870952)
01-26-2020 6:01 PM
Reply to: Message 4565 by Faith
01-26-2020 4:58 PM


And still no attempt to address the issues. False insults and any excuse, no matter how flimsy and transparent, to avoid those issues. Pathetic.
The really pathetic thing is that all or almost all Republican Senators are just like you. They lied when they swore to "do impartial justice according to the Constitution and laws".
Schiff is a politician, but for a politician he's pretty honest. Of course Shapiro didn't provide any examples of Schiff's alleged dishonesty.

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Percy
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Message 4570 of 5796 (870954)
01-26-2020 6:34 PM
Reply to: Message 4540 by Faith
01-25-2020 2:26 PM


Re: Trump's Tweet in Farsi Much "Liked" in Iran
Faith writes:
I suppose you've also missed the statistic I hear from time to time, from some pretty credible sources too I think, that the news coverage of Trump runs something like 90 or 95% negative.
No citation? Just "I hear from time to time?" This completely unsupported claim is so typical of you. I have no idea how much news about Trump is negative, but I assume it is roughly equal to the number of bad things he does?
And what negative news are you talking about? The news about Trump paying off mistresses to keep quiet while he was running for office? About attacking a federal judge who ruled against him because he was Hispanic? About the Access Hollywood tape where he bragged of grabbing women by the pussy? About the cheating at his charity? The Trump University fraud? The lying about millions of people voting illegally in 2016? The refusal to put his businesses in a blind trust? Cutting Social Security and Medicare? Lying about releasing his tax returns? Cutting EPA regulations protecting our environment? Withholding federal funds from sanctuary cities? Threatening Mexico about paying for his wall? Banning Muslims from a bunch of countries? Threatening separation of church and state?
I'll stop there. The list goes on and on. Whether you personally liked these things or not, of course they're going to generate negative press.
I guess you can say that's just because he does that many bad things,...
I guess I should have read ahead. Yes, that's exactly what I just said.
...but no other President has ever had to endure such coverage,...
Deservedly so.
...and it's odd that there are so many of us out here who consider what he's been doing to be predominantly good for the country, including those tens of thousands who continue to attend his rallies all over the country with large overflow crowds.
You're using the argumentum ad populum fallacy again. If Trump is doing good things then if you want other people to believe you then you can't just say it - you have to show it. You don't even attempt to do this. You just call us leftist (whether we are or not) haters (whether we are or not).
Sorry, the media IS intentionally misrepresenting anything to do with Trump.
How? Take the list I provided above and explain how the news media has misrepresented each of them.
And you really should read Mark Levin's book "Unfreedom of the Press" and of course other conservative books.
Once again you provide no reason why I should do so. Do you have facts standing behind anything you believe? Ones that aren't made up, that is?
You are way too entrenched in Leftist fake news.
I keep issuing you this challenge, and you keep ignoring it. Here are links to the front pages of The New York Times and The Washington Post. Ignoring the opinion and analysis pieces because they are not reportage, find all the articles that are fake news. Did Kobe Bryant not die in a helicopter crash? Is the Coronavirus not surging across China? Did Trump not tweet that Schiff "has not paid the price, yet, for what he has done to our Country!" About this last one, here's the tweet in case you missed it:
So where's the fake news?
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 4571 of 5796 (870955)
01-26-2020 6:41 PM
Reply to: Message 4543 by Faith
01-25-2020 2:51 PM


Re: Another Trump failure
Faith writes:
Trump is in fact extremely good at negotiation and diplomacy.
Empty claim. Don't say it - show it.
Yes, third world picayune tyrants are very susceptible to flattery from an American President.
Poor reading skills. I mentioned both Kim and Putin.
I really really really wish it was possible to split this nation geographically so I could live with the conservatives and never have to hear another insane word from the Left. I guess there's no way to bring that about unfortunately.
I really really really wish you could say something factual. It seems neither of us will ever get our wish.
--Percy

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Faith 
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Message 4572 of 5796 (870956)
01-26-2020 6:47 PM
Reply to: Message 4570 by Percy
01-26-2020 6:34 PM


Re: Trump's Tweet in Farsi Much "Liked" in Iran
Of coruse you assume it's all true, as I said. and of coruse you never heard it, that's the sort of news you guys just don't get because the Left ignores it. No sense of perspective at all, no sense of how words are twisted in every headline to turn whatever facts are involved against Trump, and that isn't even about what's in the stories.
Here's Pew research:
Pew Study: News Coverage Of Trump More Negative Than For Other Presidents : NPR
Here's another headlin on the subject. I read some of the first link, but nothing of this one, I'm posting it because of the headline.
Access to this page has been denied.

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Percy
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Message 4573 of 5796 (870957)
01-26-2020 6:54 PM
Reply to: Message 4547 by Faith
01-25-2020 4:35 PM


Re: Another Trump failure
Faith writes:
Wouldn't it be better to drop the sanctions, rejoin the Iran nuclear accord, and build toward making Iran a constructive and non-nuclear member of the global community?
That is extremely nave. They have absolutely no interest in doing that.
Of course they have an interest in doing that. That's why they signed the nuclear accord with Europe and the US, the one Trump withdrew the US from.
The Islamic State of iran is never going to give up building nuclear power with which to bring in the worldwide Islamic Caliphate to which all others must submit or die.
Bald assertion with no substantiation. Also, it's the Islamic Republic of Iran. I had a feeling you were getting the full name of ISIS (Islamic State of Iraq and Syria) mixed up with full name of Iran.
What we do know is that Iran has ramped up their nuclear efforts since the US withdrew and imposed harsh sanctions in 2018. Way to go, Trump.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 4574 of 5796 (870958)
01-26-2020 7:14 PM
Reply to: Message 4553 by Faith
01-25-2020 4:56 PM


Re: Trump's Tweet in Farsi Much "Liked" in Iran
Faith writes:
You have absolutely no idea what he plans to do ever.
You are very confused. I never claimed to know what Trump might do. I've called Trump rash and impulsive. I would never claim to be able to predict his actions. He surprises me every day.
It was you who claimed to know what Trump would do. You claimed that by targeting cultural sites he only meant minor stuff like knocking over a statue when obviously he meant bombs and missiles and great destruction. And by the way, still a war crime. Apparently he didn't know that and eventually had to back down. The man's ignorance is monumental.
You would never have guessed that he would do such a pinpoint operation to take out Soleimani.
You're seriously giving Trump credit for the accuracy of the military's missiles? Should we gave daily thanks to dear leader for the sunrise?
So you have no cause to say one word about what he would do with cultural sites or why or any of that.
You are still very confused. I made no such claims. I just took Trump at his word: "They're allowed to kill our people. They're allowed to torture and maim our people. They're allowed to use roadside bombs and blow up our people. And we're not allowed to touch their cultural sites? It doesn't work that way."
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 4575 of 5796 (870959)
01-26-2020 7:21 PM
Reply to: Message 4561 by Faith
01-26-2020 3:48 PM


Re: Trump Lies Yet Again
Faith writes:
At least I hate the right things.
I think you need to let love and compassion into your heart.
--Percy

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