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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
Seems to me that modern understandings about virology and efforts to contain viruses have recently been able to curb outbreaks when compared to levels that have been previously seen in pandemics such as Spanish Flu, Polio, Tuberculosis, Plague, etc.
And this is not for lack of trying on the part of viruses... SARS, Ebola, MERS, Avian Flu, etc. With how much international travel occurs in between the time of contracting a disease, the incubation period, and when one becomes infectious with or without showing symptoms seems like a global pandemic is inevitable. And I think if it were not for organizations like the WHO, CDC, and other international equivalents that do nothing else but plan and train for this that we would have already had another pandemic rivaling the size and scope of a the Spanish Flu. Even with all of our safeguards and modern medicine its too easy for an epidemic to reach the level of a pandemic. There's plenty of reason to be concerned about Coronavirus. While the death rate is marginally low compared to other diseases, the rate has enormous potential to be extremely problematic whether you contract it and die, contract it and live, or never contract it at all. Early estimates have it at about 2-4% rate of death. Low, compared to other strains but its said to be extremely transmittable. Its also a virus so it mutates fairly easily. Probably wouldn't be extraordinary that multiple strains arise from it so that even the people who previously contracted a form it may not have the antibodies to fight the next strain 2-3 years down the line. That's why the Flu is a problem year after year. You may be fortunate enough to have a defense to 2 or 3 versions of it, but not 6 or 7 that have mutated enough to where your body is no longer resistant. You don't need millions and millions of people to die from it to be a huge problem. Imagine if 30 million people are essentially sick within the span of 6 months. Hospitals would be overwhelmed, supplies low and in some cases out indefinitely, and inadequate treatment would actually increase the death toll. Now think of the impact it has on global commerce and work productivity. Wuhan is shut down. Work is almost nil, they are rationing food and supplies, and everyone is terrified. China is just about the worst place on earth you would want a pandemic to form. They are the largest exporter of goods and international travel comes and goes with one of the highest frequencies on earth. What happens in China reverberates around the globe. If their economy shudders, so does everyone else's. If travel restrictions and mandatory quarantines aren't seriously and aggressively in place, other nations will face the same challenges. In any event, I don't need to sell you on why it needs to be curbed... the question for you is how bad do you realistically think this will get? Will it fizzle out like the Ebola scare or is this one going to take longer and infect many more? Is this the big one or just another scare? Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given. Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given."Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine |
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jar Member (Idle past 95 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Corona Virus seems to be very hard to transmit and very seldom fatal.
Do you have any idea of how many people in the US have been sickened during this 2019-2020 Common Flu season? Take a look at that first before getting worked up over Corona Virus. Right now the most serious symptom of Corona Virus is not having limes.
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member
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Corona Virus seems to be very hard to transmit and very seldom fatal. Do you have any idea of how many people in the US have been sickened during this 2019-2020 Common Flu season? Take a look at that first before getting worked up over Corona Virus. Right now the most serious symptom of Corona Virus is not having limes. The scaremongering headlines are often misleading, but I wouldn't take it lightly either. If virtually all virologists are saying that it poses a considerable health risk than I think that is telling. As to influenza, nobody takes it lightly. Its responsible annually for way more deaths than coronavirus at this point but its also been around a lot longer and more manageable with vaccines to thin out the number of cases. But I take it you are hedging your bets that it will fizzle out? "Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 991 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined:
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For what it’s worth, Google searches on Corona beer virus have apparently been at noticeable levels lately. I prefer Tecate anyway, myself.
Was it George Carlin who made a comment about the intelligence of the average American, and that 50% of the population is, by definition, dumber than that? |
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jar Member (Idle past 95 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
No, my opinion is based on what little evidence we do have coming from the most effected places. So far even in China the major threat seems to be public reaction rather than the virus itself. The other issue is the utter stupidity of so many Americans and that is the bigger threat. We have had somewhat effective flu vaccines for decades yet there are still utterly stupid Americans that just don't get a shot.
The threat is simply ignorance.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1661 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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quote: Trump's reason? Because Obama ... Now I'm not too worried about Corona ... yet. The question is what happens when it mutates to a more lethal form -- we already know it is human/human transmittable -- can the US handle it or will they get help from China ... Just askin But Mob Boss Trump will not be concerned about it, he will be busy building his wall ... Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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ringo Member (Idle past 668 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
In Canada we seem to be more concerned about racism against Chinese people. Racists are often not the sharpest tools in the box to begin with but they don't seem to understand that Chinese people who have not been to China recently are less dangerous than non-Chinese people who have not.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17919 Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
Don’t worry, you can drink bleach!
I wish I was kidding but apparently the QAnon loons are promoting Miracle Mineral Solution as a cure. Which is basically bleach. This sort of lunacy is dangerous.
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
Don’t worry, you can drink bleach! I wish I was kidding but apparently the QAnon loons are promoting Miracle Mineral Solution as a cure. Which is basically bleach. This sort of lunacy is dangerous. Sounds like a self-correcting problem a la natural selection "Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 991 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
MMS is sodium chlorite (notice that t) solution. It gets used some in the oilfield as a cleaner-upper for iron sulfide scale, which can be a pretty big problem out here in West Texas. Aside from the usual safety warnings on this product, users are cautioned to not spill it on dry vegetation. Once the water in the product dries, sodium chlorite can set dry grass on fire. This is typically thought of as Bad Form right next to oil wells.
But as medicine? No problem, apparently.
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jar Member (Idle past 95 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Well sodium chloride (notice that d) is just table salt so the only difference is one letter. Do you think folk are to dumb to not notice that they are just different spellings?
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1281 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined:
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I wish I was kidding but apparently the QAnon loons are promoting Miracle Mineral Solution as a cure. Which is basically bleach. For what it's worth, I saw the article you're referencing, and it was a shitty piece of half-arsed journalism. It cited two people, one of whom only mentioned MMS in a quick side connect which, in context, it was not clear whether it was supposed to be taken seriously. And that's news? A crazy man on Twitter who believes that Hillary Clinton is dead said something crazy? As far as I can tell Q-Anon was mentioned only to use up for paragraphs explaining what it is.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17919 Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
Jason Sather has quite an online presence and seems to have already been an MMS booster. So, I don’t doubt his part in it.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1661 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Don’t worry, you can drink bleach! I wish I was kidding but apparently the QAnon loons are promoting Miracle Mineral Solution as a cure. Which is basically bleach. Could be one way to reduce stupid in the gene pool ... can they get a blanket Darwin Awards: Evolution In Action For the greater good? by our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1281 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined:
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Jason Sather has quite an online presence and seems to have already been an MMS booster. So, I don’t doubt his part in it. Couldn't bring myself to dig further to find out his views on the matter. One video was depressing enough. Watching him justify how, when Trump said sane things, it was because he was just lying to appease the ignorant; and when he said something vague it was subtly implying the whackjob nonsense Sather believes in; destroyed my will to continue.
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