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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Lower taxes on corporations and the wealthy do not help the overall economy and actually contribute to the redistribution of wealth to the top. With actual facts and data sources.
quote:As he says this is demonstrably false. Those that don't see are not following the facts and data, they are allowing their political viewpoints and prejudices to override reason. Robert Reich: Several Myths about Taxes and Economics – Fact and Myth Paul Krugman agrees.
quote: Opinion | Why Was Trumponomics a Flop? - The New York Times
quote:Opinion | Tax Cuts and Leprechauns (Wonkish) - The New York Times Now I know conservatives are going to attack Krugman and Reich as being liberal. How about you try something different and show the data and conclusions are wrong and not attack them? Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie? |
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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But considering just a single company, you suggest taking funds that would have been a company's profits and instead routing them to increased employee compensation. A company unilaterally raising wages within its industry would experience a number of negative consequences, including but not limited to lower competitiveness, increased cost of borrowing, lower dividends (if offered), lower stock price, decreased proceeds from stock offerings, and a diminished ability to expand the business or increase competitiveness. More conventional wisdom, that is not wisdom. Conservative economic truths seemingly do not survive when the real world is looked at. Costco was mentioned as classic case. Out here in WI/MN are we have convenience store chain named Kwik Trip. They pay a starting wage $2-4/hour higher than the competition. They offer benefits to even their part time employees. 40% of pre-tax profits go back to employees. The profit sharing bonus averages to about 5-9% of an employee's annual salary.So how is Kwik Trip doing? They are kicking the competitions ass. Most chains in Duluth-Superior have left. Kwik Trip has motivated happy employees. Customers see that and appreciate that. The chain with the highest employee costs is the most successful. Jobs at Kwik Trip I don't like the word "socialism" because it's become a loaded term
What term should be used? Instead of coming up with inaccurate words maybe we should actually educate people about what terms like capitalism and socialism mean.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
What "conservative economic truths" are you referring to?
That investing in human capital; wages and benefits; is detrimental to the competitiveness and success of a company. You, yourself, have made such a claim.
Mention was all that was done, but my position is that there are many ways to organize successful companies. I'm happy for Costco that they're doing so well (I have only your and RAZD's word for that, I haven't looked this up), but just because Costco is doing well doesn't mean that their corporate approach is the only way of being a successful company.
But they are a prime example that high wages and benefits does not make a company uncompetitive. Sure companies can be successful with low wages and crappy benefits; Walmart. But no one made that claim. You are throwing out a strawman. Walmart's success is on the shoulder of public benefits programs those on the right excoriate.
quote: 3 Reasons Costco Is a Great Company They attract the best, so get above average productivity. And Costco employees are not dependent on public assistance.
Nothing against Kwik Trip, I know nothing about them, but fact checking your claim, if you enter "duluth mn convenience stores" into Google Maps it displays more Holiday Stationstores than Kwik Trips. "Duluth mn kwik trip" shows 9 locations, while "Duluth mn holiday stationstores" shows 17. I don't consider Google Maps authoritative, but that's the only data I have.
This where a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. First of all Holiday Stores have been in the Duluth area for over 25 years. Kwik Trip first entered the market in 2015. Second of all, in order to get a feel for the number of stores you can not just search Duluth. The area around here is known as the Twin Ports. It includes Duluth, Superior, WI and surrounding cities and towns. By pulling up the websites for these companies I can get an accurate count of stores in the area. As Kwik Trip was not even in this area before 2015, I am going to include the area that encompasses their expansion post 2015. Holiday Stationstores has 20 locations, Kwik Trip has 21. All of Kwik Trips were built post 2015. The newest Holiday Store is at least 15 years old. But this is all another strawman. I never said they were the only chain in the area or that no one else is successful. Your claim is that higher wages and better benefits makes a company uncompetitve, This is patently not true.Find your nearest Kwik Trip location - Kwik Trip | Kwik Star https://www.holidaystationstores.com/Locations/Search You and RAZD are making claims that you're not backing up with evidence. Where does your evidence of the success of Kwik Trip, Costco,
Are you claiming they are not successful? Do I Have to post articles showing their growth? Here is one.Here’s Where Costco Is Opening in 2019 Would an unsuccessful company be making $2.5 billion in capital improvements in next 5 years https://madison.com/...9abd-8d5e-59e3-874a-901d2e15f863.html What more evidence do you want to show that Costco and Kwik Trip are successful companies?
Socialism means state ownership of business and industry
In fact using Wiki as you did, this is not correct.
quote:Socialism - Wikipedia quote:State ownership - Wikipedia What you have defined is state socialism.
quote:State socialism - Wikipedia Trump will slaughter anyone embracing the socialist label in November.
But no one is embracing that label are they? You seem to want to pin it on them, but no one is embracing it. Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
It is really just a cop out. A sop to your feelings.
quote:Newsflash: You Can’t Be Financially Conservative And Socially Liberal – FEM Newsmagazine Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie? |
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
I had a very well paid career with a Humanities degree. I know a few people with undergrad science degrees making peanuts.
Anecdotal evidence is not very good evidence. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
What rally? Where?
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
So this is a lie. You have no idea how many people or how full. Just lies.
Faith writes: They filled the Coliseum, 15,000 capacity, with thousands outside who couldn't get in.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Provide actual data and facts. It is not my duty to find the data to back up your arguments. WHy should I trust what you say. Provide data and I will believe it. Until then I have no reason to believe and have no desire to do the research. You made the claim, back it with data. You are probably correct, there are that many idiots down there that are willing to go to a free event to have red meat thrown at them, but I want to see actual data.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
donnie is known to book second and third tier arenas in cities in order to make turnout seem more massive. If seating was 15,000 he must have had it at the Veteran's Memorial Coliseum. That is the second tier arena in Phoenix.
I see his Charlotte rally is at Bojangles Arena. It was old and decrepit 30 years ago when I lived there. It only has about 8k seating capacity. I am sure he will say it was the most packed rally ever. FYI, Obama got crowds of up to 100k.Just sayin. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
For this administration and the GOP "legal immigrants" means white, native English speakers.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Lying is easy. Finding out actual facts is not.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Theodoric didn't know there was a rally in Phoenix
Another lie. I never said I did not know about the rally. You never said what rally the video was from. It could have been from any rally. I was not going to watch the video. If you are going to post things and make claims, explain what you are posting and provide actual facts.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
OK lets put the conspiracy theories to rest so we can actually prepare and so that actual work can be done on a vaccine.
Facts not propaganda. quote:Social Media Posts Spread Bogus Coronavirus Conspiracy Theory - FactCheck.org Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie? |
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
But you can not provide the NYT article. Because it does not exist. Are you lying? Again?
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Crawl back into your hole you lying troll.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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