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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
"Antichrist" means both against Christ and usurper of Christ.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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You can now run around screaming and tearing your hair out and calling me names
i prefer to just point and mock and laugh Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member
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I've been convinced that the Papacy is the seat of the Antichrist because that's what Martin Luther and other leaders of the Protestant Reofrmation concluded from scripture. Yes from scripture. Martin Luther? Oh, you mean the antisemite who wrote, "The Jews and Their Lies?" Here's an adorable excerpt:
quote: Hitler himself couldn't have said it more eloquently or with such venom. Raze their synagogues, schools and homes to the ground... What a wonderful source of inspiration.
The Reformation identification of the Pope is often rejected just because there is a succession of Popes while scripture seems to point to a singular figure who appears at the very end of time before Christ returns, as THE Antichrist. Well, the biblical evidence for the papacy as the Antichrist is very strong. While the RCC got Christianity totally and completely wrong in my estimation, I think its safe to say that nobody plans on following anyone from the Papacy. They're a dying breed. Remember, Faith, there's several billion Muslims, millions of non-Catholic Christians, and billions of Hindus and Budhists. You really think the entirety of the world is just going to suddenly look towards the Pope for guidance? The scriptures are clear to say that the Anti-Christ will be the last person you'd ever expect and that pretty much everyone is gonna be duped by him before he reveals his true colors. This is just your hatred for the RCC manifesting itself and nothing more. You like to force square pegs in to round holes. And in all of that ranting you never actually made the case Scripturally, you just made an empty and hollow assertion. Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given."Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Vicarius means neither against nor usurper (not that anti means usurper). It’s related to vice as in Vice President. Dies that title mean that Mike Pence is against or the usurper of Donald Trump?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I've been taught for years that the Greek for "anti" implies both "against" and "in the place of." I am pointing out that the various descriptions and titles of the Pope make him a usurper. "Vicarious" certainly means substitute, or in the place of something else.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: In context AntiChrist pretty clearly means against Christ. How could it possibly mean a Vice Christ (in the same sense as Vice President)?
quote: You are asserting it but it certainly is not true. A vicarius is not a usurper - the very title denies it.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yes, Luther had a conniption fit when he discovered the writings of the Jews against Christ. He'd been very friendly to them up until that discovery.
While the RCC got Christianity totally and completely wrong in my estimation, I think its safe to say that nobody plans on following anyone from the Papacy. They're a dying breed. Remember, Faith, there's several billion Muslims, millions of non-Catholic Christians, and billions of Hindus and Budhists. There are 1.2 billion Catholics and 1.8 billion Muslims. Ask Google.
You really think the entirety of the world is just going to suddenly look towards the Pope for guidance? Probably not suddenly. But people will be rather on edge after the Christians all disappear, and that may occur during some kind of worldwide upheaval too, according to some teachers. And the Pope will probably have to do some "miracles" to get their attention. (This is another reason to think he'll be possessed by Satan.)_ But scripture says that multitudes will be saved to the true Christ so not all people are going to be deceived, just a huge number.
The scriptures are clear to say that the Anti-Christ will be the last person you'd ever expect and that pretty much everyone is gonna be duped by him before he reveals his true colors. "Pretty much everyone?" You should supply scripture for that, but remember that the RCC completely ruled Europe for a millennium, and the Pope still heads 1.2 billion Catholics. But consider that even the Protestant churches aren't suspecting the Pope. Lots of them consider the RCC to be just another Christian denomination, and many actually honor the Pope. Some have even gone to the Vatican to be blessed by the Pope. Seems to me he's just about "the last person" many would ever suspect of being the Antichrist. Especially these latest Popes since Vatican II who have been doing their best to bend their doctrine to embrace all other religions and even atheism. Hey, the Pope is a Really Nice Guy in the eyes of most of the world. Catholic traditionalists and some Protestants consider Francis to be violating a lot of Christian teaching, but that's not a very big number.
This is just your hatred for the RCC manifesting itself and nothing more. Where would I get such "hatred" if not from learning about what the RCC teaches? And if I hate it what I hate is the doctrines of the papacy, not Catholics themselves, who need to be saved from it. And besides, when I was reading up on religions back in the early eighties, I loved the Catholic mystics and thought for a long time I was going to become a Catholic. It DID take further study to learn that they aren't the true Church.
You like to force square pegs in to round holes. And in all of that ranting you never actually made the case Scripturally, you just made an empty and hollow assertion. Well, if you really think that based on what I've written here I guess there's no way to dissuade you. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Obviously from the anti-Catholic propaganda you so love. Except when it’s not vicious enough. It’s just one of the ways your evil shows itself.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Well, ad hominem is always a reliable port in a storm of ideas you don't like, isn't it?
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
Yes, Luther had a conniption fit when he discovered the writings of the Jews against Christ. He'd been very friendly to them up until that discovery. If he was wrong about Jews then why is he right about everything else?
Probably not suddenly. He'll probably have to do some "miracles" to get their attention. (This is another reason to think he'll be possessed by Satan.)_ But scripture says that multitudes will be saved to the true Christ so not all people are going to be deceived, just a huge number. One of the signs of the Anti-Christ in Islam is the performing of miracles akin to Jesus. They also believe that Satan is behind all of it. Whether you want to accept it or not, a humongous portion of Judaism and Christianity has been absorbed into Islamic teachings -- including eschatology. Muslims aren't going to suddenly convert to their mortal enemies religion. That makes no sense.
"Pretty much everyone?" You should supply scripture for that, but remember that the RCC completely ruled Europe for a millennium, and the Pope still heads 1.2 billion Catholics. I'm talking about everyone else.... that's billions of people who are not practicing Catholics. So how do they somehow come to worship a pederast in a funny looking hat? Makes no sense.
But consider that even the Protestant churches aren't suspecting the Pope. Lots of them consider the RCC to be just another Christian denomination, and many actually honor the Pope. Some have even gone to the Vatican to be blessed by the Pope. Seems to me he's just about "the last person" many would ever suspect of being the Antichrist. Seems much more logical and in keeping with eschatology that the Anti-Christ would be secular, charismatic, probably is the guy who cures diseases, is very important in tech, and is liked by everyone nearly universally. I think of somebody like Elon Musk, but even more popular and greater contributions to the advancement of civilization. That's how you get a foot in the door -- the last person you'd suspect and for face value has made amazing contributions to everyone that you wouldn't suspect have nefarious intentions.
Where would I get such "hatred" if not from learning about what the RCC teaches? I'm not saying your loathing of Catholic doctrine is unfounded, I'm suggesting that it is clouding your judgment concerning this pet theory of yours. "Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
And complaining about ad hominem is one of your convenient excuses for dismissing the truth.
The fact is that you actually did complain that today’s anti-Catholic propaganda wasn’t vicious enough. You don’t have a good understanding of Catholic teaching. You do love hate and lies. We all know it, and you aren’t exactly shy about showing it.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Please quote me if you are going to accuse me of saying something.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
He wasn't wrong about the Jews. They do have all kinds of curses and misrepresentations of Jesus in their writings. Why not? They deny that He's the Messiah, they hate Him. Luther was wrong to advocate punishing them as he did, but in fact that piece against the Jews didn't get read for centuries anyway. it was considered an embarrassment and buried.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Please use the Peek button on this reply to see how to use nested qs-tags. It's not rocket science nor brain surgery nor those pesky mysterious features of the English language like conditionals (ie, if-statements) and the plural.
DWise1 writes:
It's a phrase that describes the Pope, so Latin with Roman numerals are very appropriate. Faith writes:
Why Roman numerals and not Greek numerals? After all, the New Testament was written in Greek, not in Latin. ANYWAY, add up the Roman numerals of that title, So then in other words you're still pulling the same old shtupid crap of ignoring facts and reality in order to blunder full speed ahead generating a wake of false claims that are complete and utter crap. Why are we not surprised?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Funny, you remind me very strongly of the House Democrats making it all up against Trump while what he said was clear enough and true.
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