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Message 35 of 330 (754070)
03-24-2015 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Jon
07-29-2011 9:06 AM


I feel that a Rapture, if such an event ever occurs, will logically be a mid tribulation event.
  • Unless the Christians involved are judged through Grace rather than works.
    Jon, how have your thoughts on this issue any different in 2015 than they were in 2011?

    Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo
    It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo
    If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden.(Leo Tolstoy)

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    Message 37 of 330 (754169)
    03-24-2015 8:01 PM
    Reply to: Message 36 by Jon
    03-24-2015 3:36 PM


    No Evidence Just Common Sense
    To be honest...none apart from common sense. I figure people are not ready to meet God after having just played World Of Warcraft, watched an NFL game, or a rerun of Seinfeld.
    People need seasoning. Mid makes sense. Post Trib would be a tragic gauntlet for the Christians to be forced to run before meeting God..thus I figure the Big Guy will go easy on us with a Mid Trib.

    Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo
    It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo
    If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden.(Leo Tolstoy)

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    Message 39 of 330 (754917)
    04-01-2015 3:43 PM
    Reply to: Message 38 by ringo
    03-26-2015 1:31 PM


    Trouble With Tribbles
    So why do you want "Him" to leave you alone? Are you at peace with atheism?
    I saw an interesting video from Info Wars that showed the technology available to "chip" everyone and give them a common identity. Usually I scoff at Info Wars as I see them as another business...but this particular video was well done.
    RFID microchips implanted under the skin and wearable technology (Smart Tattoos) will soon be mandatory. Meanwhile the European Union and U.S. Cybercom develop plans for a worldwide standardized Internet ID system.

    Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo
    It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo
    If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden.(Leo Tolstoy)

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    Message 108 of 330 (871852)
    02-13-2020 3:33 PM
    Reply to: Message 100 by PaulK
    02-13-2020 11:56 AM


    Re: If Francis is The Antichrist, then the Great Tribulationi is just around the corner
    A lot of my belief is a communion of scripture with my intuition. Critics say I make it up but so many people who take scripture 100% literally (the way they understand it and were taught by others) is no different.
    That being said, I conclude as of this point in my life that IF A Rapture were to happen at all it would be a Mid Trib Rapture. People will have experienced enough chaos to shake them out of their comfort zone and delusions and will be as strong spiritually as they are gonna get. It makes no sense to be arguing about the pettiness of politics and watching NFL football one minute and then suddenly get taken to Heaven in the next. If a Rature happens at all it will be when people will be praying for one. To be honest, Im not ready to go yet...I tghink Faith is more eager to alleviate the pains and stresses of this life than I am at this point--but what of our charge to help others know God? Not so we can become a giant cult that wants to get the heck outta Dodge but so that the whole belief can be fullfilled that the people and their God are again One.
    Tangle, ringo, and jar will likely come around if they can trust God at that point. The conservative church does not market Him very well.

    The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

    - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
    Anne Lamott
    Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

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    Message 109 of 330 (871853)
    02-13-2020 3:36 PM
    Reply to: Message 107 by Tangle
    02-13-2020 1:10 PM


    Re: Why the Pre-Trib Rapture?
    Tangle writes:
    Having admitted that all previous prophesies of end times have failed...
    They will always fail.
    A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign....but signs and wonders will follow those who believe. And to your credit, I think you have at least an interst in all of this. Otherwise, why waste time arguing about it?
    Not that you believe a word of it. You are honest. If God did turn out to exist, you would likely pay Him far more respect than most Christians now do.

    The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

    - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
    Anne Lamott
    Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

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    Message 112 of 330 (871858)
    02-13-2020 4:46 PM
    Reply to: Message 111 by Tangle
    02-13-2020 4:24 PM


    redirecting Tangles Comment
    If God did turn out to exist, you would likely pay Him far more respect than most Christians now do.
    tangle writes:
    Not if he's the evil bastard in your book I wouldn't.
    Im taking this line of conversation and redirecting it here.

    The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

    - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
    Anne Lamott
    Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

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    Message 218 of 330 (872234)
    02-23-2020 1:03 PM
    Reply to: Message 215 by Faith
    02-23-2020 5:18 AM


    Re: Who Reigns With Christ in the Millennial Kingdom?
    Faith writes:
    The point is it's the SAINTS, those who are believers who are resurrected into their final glorified bodies, who rule and reign with Christ.
    Well, that leaves you and me out.

    The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

    - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
    Anne Lamott
    Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

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    Message 221 of 330 (872265)
    02-24-2020 3:00 AM
    Reply to: Message 220 by Faith
    02-23-2020 5:48 PM


    Re: Who Reigns With Christ in the Millennial Kingdom?
    Do you really think it will all happen that fast? Im 60 now...and you are older than I by a couple of years...and so far I see no evidence of a military police state that wants to limit the free speech of Christians. I used to think the so-called last Days would come by 2003 at the latest. Now, that is over 17 years ago. Of course, pertaining to the Rapture, it could happen at any moment despite tangles assurance that it won't ever happen. A Pre Trib rapture makes sense, but such a Rapture would be cut and dried. Most people would get left behind. Sometimes I wonder if ringo has a point in that Jesus expects us to give 100% and hold nothing back. He is too liberal and socialist for me, but I am not a Right Wing guy either.

    The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

    - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
    Anne Lamott
    Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

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    Message 225 of 330 (872290)
    02-24-2020 3:47 PM
    Reply to: Message 222 by PaulK
    02-24-2020 7:47 AM


    Dr.Ron Rhodes Weighs In
    Dr.Ron Rhodes is another of the old-time apologetic "prophecy experts" that weighs in.
    Dr.Rhodes On The Jewish Voice
    He has a new book out. Critics such as jar will point out that all this man basically does is write and sell books and that he has found his niche selling to Biblical Christians, but jar never believed this stuff anyway. I grew up reading these types of books even before I was saved, so they are not totally dismissed by me.
    Rhodes latest book, End Times Super Trends
    Ron Rhodes writes:
    ...If we’re seeing signs today that indicate that the second coming is not far off, that means that the rapture is even nearer. There are hundreds of signs pointing to the second coming, yet there is not a single sign or prophecy that must be fulfilled before the rapture takes place. It’s imminent and that means it could literally happen at any moment.
    What Ron has done through his latest book is to focus on the big issues that are setting the stage for the tribulation period. This would include things like the rise of alternative religions, the apostasy within the church, the reality that our world is going cashless, the possibility of America weakening in the end-times, the dissolution and redefining of the family, globalism, the Middle East conflict, the rising tide against Christians, moral decline, the rebuilding of the Jewish temple, the loss of religious freedom, and more.
    Now you must admit that this author knows the likelihood that his target audience, Biblical Christians, will buy this book like cotton candy. He too will have to stand before God someday and answer as to why it is he sold a million books to hungry gullible people. Missler did the same thing, as did MacArthur. Unlike jar, however, I don't necessarily see any proof that these people are in any way misled. They have decent arguments.
    Rhodes talks of the Rapture in his book.
    quote:
    Live your life as though the rapture could happen today, but plan your life as if you will be here for your entire life expectancy. That way you are prepared for both time and eternity.
    Ithink that Dr.Rhodes favors the pre trib interpretation.
    RonRhodes writes:
    Which view of the Rapture is correct? Some say it happen before the Tribulation, in the middle of the Tribulation, before what’s deemed the wrath of God near the end of the Tribulation, or at the very end of the Tribulation. I believe that the Church is going to be raptured before the Tribulation period. It makes good sense for a number of reasons.
    First of all, if you examine all of the Old Testament prophecies that deal with the Tribulation, the Church is never mentioned once. If you look at all the New Testament prophecies that deal with the Tribulation, the Church is not mentioned once.
    In 1 Thessalonians 1:9 and 1 Thessalonians 5:9, we are told that the Church will be delivered from the wrath to come. Now there are a couple points to make there. The wrath to come is not just general wrath that we all experience. Rather, it is a specific period of wrath. It is the wrath to come which we Christians are to be delivered from it.
    The Greek word for delivered there means to be snatched away from. The Church is promised to be snatched away from the wrath to come. To me, that goes right along with 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 where it talks about how Christians are going to be caught up to meet the Lord in the air. Christians are going to be snatched up to meet the Lord in the air.
    Just think about that for a minute. Doesn’t the Lord have a long pattern of delivering His people before judgment falls? God delivered Noah before the Flood fell. He caught Enoch up to His side before the Flood fell. The spies were out of Jericho before the judgment fell on Jericho. Lot was out of Sodom before judgment fell on Sodom. I could go on and on. That is in keeping with who God is. And so, God is going to rescue the Church before His judgment falls upon the world.
    What if the "church" isnt who we think it is, however? What if ringo is right and that most of us have failed to trust God enough to give it all up? Dr.Ron Rhodes certainly has money. Comments?

    The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

    - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
    Anne Lamott
    Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

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    Message 259 of 330 (872495)
    02-28-2020 6:54 AM
    Reply to: Message 245 by jar
    02-25-2020 8:15 AM


    Re: Another look at the Antichrist of the Great Tribulation
    jar writes:
    Time has already told. The Tribulation and Rapture are simply easy cons to sell to willfully gullible fools.
    We get your position. Basically, a large group of conmen, under the guise of Biblical Christianity, have warped and distorted the plain meanings of many of the stories and events mentioned in the Bible in order to profit off of such deception.
    Perhaps you can give us an alternative view regarding these Biblical events, seeing as how you may be the *only* man in Texas who has read the Bible fully from cover to cover and at the same time stuck to your guns regarding the dishonesty of classical apologetics.
    And what of John MacArthur? Is he simply another protege of the P.T. Barnum School Of Apolojartics?
    The timing of this next news event is interesting. I just noticed it while researching MacArthur. SEC Brings Defrauding Charges against Son of Pastor John MacArthur. Of course even if true this charge does not automatically mean that MacArthur Sr. is a conman. From what I've heard of him, he is and has been in the past a reputable Bible Teacher.
    John F. MacArthur

    The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

    - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
    Anne Lamott
    Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

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    Message 270 of 330 (872541)
    02-28-2020 2:08 PM
    Reply to: Message 267 by ringo
    02-28-2020 10:53 AM


    Re: Another look at the Antichrist of the Great Tribulation
    Duly noted. I was merely responding to Faith's presentation of MacArthur's work.
    jar was criticizing her conclusions, which extended to criticism of MacArthur since he was her source.
    As I researched him, I noted the linked story. But yes, we can discuss it there if you want.
    ringo writes:
    So why do you waste our time with such questions?
    we all waste each others time. Don't blame me for that one. get off your high horse and come join us for the Last Supper before the deadly Corvid-19 outbreak that may yet usher in the rapture!

    The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

    - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
    Anne Lamott
    Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

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    Message 305 of 330 (872762)
    03-03-2020 3:45 PM
    Reply to: Message 304 by PaulK
    03-03-2020 3:28 PM


    Re: Demon Possession of Dead people.
    Perhaps this story from CNN would interest you:
    When exorcists need help, they call him
    quote:
    Dr. Richard Gallagher is an Ivy League-educated, board-certified psychiatrist who teaches at Columbia University and New York Medical College. He was part of the team that tried to help the woman.

    The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

    - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
    Anne Lamott
    Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

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    Message 315 of 330 (872797)
    03-04-2020 4:48 PM
    Reply to: Message 313 by ringo
    03-04-2020 2:28 PM


    Re: Demon Possession of Dead people.
    That isn't how the exorcists do it.
    Actually yes, that is the basic model, based on scripture. Once the oppression is cast out,the person needs to "replace" that negative energy with the positive life giving Spirit of the lord. You cant just cast this stuff out through filling yourself with the energy from Long John Silver.

    The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

    - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
    Anne Lamott
    Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

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    Message 318 of 330 (872801)
    03-04-2020 6:03 PM
    Reply to: Message 317 by jar
    03-04-2020 5:29 PM


    Re: Demon Possession of Dead people.
    It is also easy to label anything "word salad".
    jar writes:
    So "What the hell does that even mean?"
    Perhaps we should study a bit of scripture in context.
    Matt 12:39-46 writes:
    39 But He answered and said to them, "An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. 41 The men of Nineveh will rise up in the judgment with this generation and condemn it, because they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and indeed a greater than Jonah is here.(who is "greater than Jonah"?) 42 The queen of the South will rise up in the judgment with this generation and condemn it, for she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and indeed a greater than Solomon is here. (Who is Jesus referring to? Who is wiser than Solomon?)
    43 An Unclean Spirit Returns
    (Luke 11:24-26)
    "When an unclean spirit goes out of a man, he goes through dry places, seeking rest, and finds none. 44 Then he says, 'I will return to my house from which I came.' And when he comes, he finds it empty, swept, and put in order. (What does it mean for the "house" to be empty?} 45 Then he goes and takes with him seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter and dwell there; and the last state of that man is worse than the first. So shall it also be with this wicked generation."
    NKJV

    The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

    - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
    Anne Lamott
    Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

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    Message 319 of 330 (872802)
    03-04-2020 6:06 PM
    Reply to: Message 316 by ringo
    03-04-2020 5:17 PM


    Demon Oppression Of Living People.
    Yeah, I know what jar is likely gonna attempt to teach. He will claim that it is our responsibility to *do* good and actively oppose our own inner evil and that no god is required. And this coming from an alleged believer!
    Edited by Phat, : subtitle

    The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

    - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
    Anne Lamott
    Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

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