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LamarkNewAge
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Message 361 of 471 (871772)
02-12-2020 8:35 AM


The maibstream media made Klobuchar
A demonstration of its power

Now 4 moderates to split the vote of m4dia hyped candidates


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Message 362 of 471 (871775)
02-12-2020 9:16 AM
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02-12-2020 8:35 AM


Re: The maibstream media made Klobuchar
See the February 12 Nate Silver post on 538.

It is full of sarcasm on the media coverage or at least the hyperlinks Twitter post by Silver is.

This is the guy who got the attention of the mainstream media after his stunning calls in the Electoral College and Senate races in 2012.

The CIA bots are already calling him a Sanders supporter on Twitter. Reminds me of Democratic Underground and the bull crap there. Silver is using scientifically minded approaches for his data but admits that the media is a powerful player in finding alternatives to Sanders. It is the plain truth and should be seen as such and Silver is just making a plain observation that he can't ignore.

Algorithms can't factor in the media bull crap yet so he has to notice what should be noticed.

I personally think that the mainstream media needs to get around to giving Democratic Party primary voters some credit. They voted for Sanders who was FIRST a civil rights movement guy back in his college days and really has been ever since if one ignores some slight anti immigration stuff from some periods in past decades. Sanders supported the Central American children in the 2013 to 2014 period while Hillary Clinton did not. Before he ran for President.

Sanders is solid on most issues and consistently.

The people like him.

Give people credit.

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Message 363 of 471 (871776)
02-12-2020 9:27 AM
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02-12-2020 7:14 AM


Re: New Hampshire Primary Results
Many pundits are saying that the nomination is now Bernie's to lose. Sure, he's wildly even recklessly liberal, but if elected he's not going to get his way with Congress and so many of the items on his pet agenda would get moderated and watered down. The debates would be great entertainment because I'm betting that Sanders would have no qualms about calling Trump a pathological liar to his face. He's incapable of speaking without passion and deep belief. He's a politician because that's his nature, not because he learned the ropes.

Bernie has the best ground game, and any candidate is going to have trouble getting their way ... unless we can retake the senate.

Personally I think Bernie is the best chance for this due to his army and the "our revolution" crowd (i would've said "our evolution" - because it is change from within not slash and burn). A lot of the blue wave in 2018 was from this crowd (and spin-offs like Brand New Congress) and from Working Families Party. This puts fresh blood into congress. Pelosi and Schumer and Perez may have to watch their backs if a lot more progressives get elected.

... He's incapable of speaking without passion and deep belief. ...

and honesty. Not bad for going against Trump who has mock passion and master con artist showmanship.

One pundit referred to Buttigieg's approach as bafflegab. I think I know what she means (Opinion | This Amy Klobuchar could beat Trump. Where has she been all year?). In the last few weeks Buttigieg's pointed clarity has become more vague and diffuse, more aspirational but less detailed.

I find him tediously chirpy. Appeals to old-school dems more than Joe, and that is where I think he got a lot of votes from -- Joe tanked in the debate. He also takes large donor and PAC money, which means strings when elected. We saw in 2016 that you don't need them for the primary and we saw in 2018 that we didn't need them in the election. AOC, for example, is more effective in congress without strings to donors.

Top Contributors, federal election data for Pete Buttigieg, 2020 cycle

Many independents and young voters will hold this against him. One comment I heard was that he appeals to Bernie'.s demographic and Bernie appeals to his demographic. On this I think Bernie is taking the right side to energize the youth to vote -- necessary to win in November.

Many are saying that even after Klobuchar's surprising success and rapid climb from the single digits spurred by last Friday's debate performance that she still has a very tough uphill road. She has neither the funding nor the organization. In my view she has to throw caution to wind and spend beyond her campaign's means to get what needs doing done.

Yeah, I saw a lot of talk about combining Butegieg and Klobuchar scores to beat Bernie and Warren, but both of are large donor and PAC money takers, and that means strings, though not as much as Butigieg. You can't take on the banks and the oligarchy with strings to them.

Sen. Amy Klobuchar - Campaign Finance Summary

Looks like she is at the break even funding point.

Warren gave a stirring speech shortly after the polls closed. If only she campaigned and interviewed as well as she speeched. That she's the second most liberal candidate in the race doesn't help either. She rejects SuperPac money, and I think PAC money, too, but whatever the details, she's determined to rely upon small donations, which is hurting her fundraising.

She and Bernie are the only small donor supported candidates. It's not hurting Bernie's campaign, in fact it's one of his strengths. She's not doing so well because she waffled on single payer health this time around and on endorsing Bernie first time around, so she seems to be more issue based on convenience than passion.

Biden left for South Carolina in the middle of the voting. Can his campaign recover?

Andrew Yang and Michael Bennet have dropped out.

Deval Patrick received less than 1% of the vote and said he would think things over and have an announcement today.

Bloomburg is going to eat Joe's lunch and take some off from Burtigieg on super Tuesday March 3rd.

2020 Primary & Caucus Schedule | Voting Calendar - Election Central

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Message 364 of 471 (871784)
02-12-2020 2:16 PM


Looks like Trump conspired against the wrong horse.

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Message 365 of 471 (871882)
02-14-2020 10:47 AM


Post Iowa poll has Sanders doing best in Texas against Trump
Finally a state that matters is the subject of a big 1200 registered voter poll.

Alabama and Tennessee were polled since Iowa and Trump smashes all the candidates. So was South Carolina and the 3 states had a Trump blowout.

The forth state general election poll really does matter. 538 and RealClear have 2 different polling outfits responsible for the poll, but I will try to make sense of that later. 538 says it was from YouGov but the numbers agree at least.

Sanders 45 Trump 47

Warren 44 Trump 47

Biden 43 Trump 47

Buttigieg 42 Trump 47

Bloomberg 41 Trump 46

Klobuchar 41 Trump 46

Yang is gone but he did awesome as he only lost 45 to 43.

The mainstream media will ignore this news as it means Sanders can turn the 306 to 232 Electoral College loss in 2016 into a 270 to 268 win just by looking at Texas.

Texas just this year saw minorities become over 50.0 percent of eligible voters. This poll was about registered voters. Trump gets better performance among likely voters when the polls narrow it down to them which most do not.

The poll was done from Feb 1 to 9.


  
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Message 366 of 471 (871890)
02-14-2020 11:58 AM


Someone is going to have to break from the pack and start a fire.
I do not think our government can withstand 4 more years of Trump.
I feel the Bern, but as others have said that "socialist" word is has to much baggage from our cold war past.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 367 of 471 (871892)
02-14-2020 12:02 PM
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Golden writes:

I feel the Bern, but as others have said that "socialist" word is has to much baggage from our cold war past.

Even though it was US "agin" Communism in the Cold War. It is simply the fact that so many Americans today have never learned that words actually have meanings.


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Message 368 of 471 (871893)
02-14-2020 12:08 PM
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02-14-2020 11:58 AM


~1.6 writes:

I feel the Bern, but as others have said that "socialist" word is has to much baggage from our cold war past.


The "cold war past" may not be as much of a red flag to younger voters

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Message 369 of 471 (871899)
02-14-2020 2:05 PM


Get ready for Nevada to be downplayed.Poll finally is here.
Bad news for the DNC and its satellites.

Sanders 25

Biden 18

Buttigieg 10

Klobuchar 10

No matter how badly Klobuchar and Buttigieg do CNN and MSNBC will say that they came from nowhere and beat the odds. They will be the real winners.

As if the non stop media promotion counts as QUOTE nowhere. Sanders is clearly the one beating the odds. He is attacked endlessly by every segment of a supposedly impartial media. Amazing if actual issues could ever get covered verses this BS about electability. CNN says that the voters really don't know Sanders positions YET after 5 years in the national spotlight. I wonder if MSNBC and CNN will ever ask if they themselves are the main reason EVEN ASSUMING the claim is true.


  
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Message 370 of 471 (871900)
02-14-2020 5:38 PM
Reply to: Message 363 by RAZD
02-12-2020 9:27 AM


Get butts to the poll
RAZD writes:

Personally I think Bernie is the best chance for this due to his army and the "our revolution" crowd (i would've said "our evolution" - because it is change from within not slash and burn). A lot of the blue wave in 2018 was from this crowd (and spin-offs like Brand New Congress) and from Working Families Party. This puts fresh blood into congress. Pelosi and Schumer and Perez may have to watch their backs if a lot more progressives get elected.

I read an interesting article the other day about a political strategist who thinks there are no swing voters. There are Trump voters and Not-Trump voters, and they have already made up their mind. What will decide the election is who gets more people off their couch and to the polls. From what I have seen, Bernie may be the best candidate to excite the electorate, despite him being an old frumpy white dude.

An Unsettling New Theory: There Is No Swing Voter


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Message 371 of 471 (871902)
02-14-2020 6:50 PM


Anybody watch Morning Joe and his lies and bias
He does not mention that he is close to Bloomberg and the 2 men almost ran for President as a ticket back in 2012.

But Joe keeps saying that the aggregate results in Iowa and New Hampshire show the moderates winning by a fair chunk over Sanders and co. Joe loves to point out that Buttigieg has a delegate edge and he wants that to be the big number to gauge the Democratic primary voters.

The media and Joe say that Sanders really does not represent the views of the majority or mainstream among Democratic voters and the explicit point is that Sanders policies aren't generally supported.

I also keep hearing that Sanders is somehow tearing the party up by simply presenting his views .

NOW ONE RESPONSE

The viewers aren't as stupid as CNN and MSNBC think. The fact that the exit polls show 60 percent of primary voters support MedicareForAll while 35 percent oppose the Sanders policy MEANS that the moderate candidates opportunistically attacking the proposal for cheap political benefit HURTS THE PARTY.

SECOND MAJOR POINT

YouGov has been running polls which place Sanders 1 on 1 against the other candidates . He smashes all the moderate candidates by 15 to 20 points except Biden. Sanders beats Biden 48 to 44. He defeats the others with over 50 percent

I will post the brand new one on one polls next post.


  
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Message 372 of 471 (871905)
02-14-2020 9:54 PM
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02-14-2020 12:02 PM


One Definition
jar writes:

Even though it was US "agin" Communism in the Cold War. It is simply the fact that so many Americans today have never learned that words actually have meanings.

Yes, and those meanings depend on context and change over time, as the English language eternally evolves, which is exemplified by the Oxford English Dictionary.

The word "socialism" used to primarily mean worker ownership of the means of production. In the USA, the word "socialism" means Social Democrat, a term quite familiar to Europeans, which means you *actually* give a fuck about your citizens and show it by not making their lives both "brutish and short'.

I was in Atlanta early last August for the National Convention of the Democratic Socialists of America as a voting alternate member. That's one of over 1000, so my personal definition of socialism as voted on at it's most representative body in the USA counts as much as Elizabeth Warren's native ancestry claim, which is
around 1/1024.

I am actually to the left of Sanders, as I believe Facebook, Google, PG&E, etc. should be bought out and all stock holding shares given to the workers of those companies. As for any compensation for any former major stockholders, I think that should be done after the money stolen from the workers in the form of sweatshop conditions or due to underpaying workers and letting the taxpayers pick up the tab in EBT and Medicaid is refunded.

Welfare queens indeed.

However, I am not entirely representative of the DSA at large.

The support for Sanders in the DSA is pretty unanimous, so it appears the USA definition of socialist, right here, right now, is real close to his platform.


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Message 373 of 471 (871916)
02-16-2020 11:00 AM


The Sunday shows are still saying Sanders has a 26 percent max
Ceiling is the hot word.

It comes after the results from Iowa and New Hampshire are shown.

Then the claim is made that he only got that much due to the massive white majority in those two states.

Then the moderate candidates get their votes added up. They got more aggregate votes than progressives. A massive nonstop media commentary comes from this supposedly data based presentation.

But Sanders just got some vitally important polls from Feb 12 to 13 which the media ignored and ignores. He beats Klobuchar 54 to 33 one on one and does about the same to Buttigieg.

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Message 374 of 471 (871918)
02-16-2020 11:12 AM
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Re: One Definition
I am actually to the left of Sanders, as I believe Facebook, Google, PG&E, etc. should be bought out and all stock holding shares given to the workers of those companies. As for any compensation for any former major stockholders, I think that should be done after the money stolen from the workers in the form of sweatshop conditions or due to underpaying workers and letting the taxpayers pick up the tab in EBT and Medicaid is refunded.


If you take the average salary aggregate of employees working for companies like Google and Facebook, Google averages at $115,000 annually and Facebook averages at $119,980. Source. Not exactly slumming it.... They also have massive perks, like stock options that you mentioned which pay handsome dividends or sell for thousands of dollars per share. Everything is designed around the comfort and happiness of the employee. "Sweatshop conditions?" I actually couldn't think of two companies that are more the antithesis of what a sweatshop actually is. Google and Facebook might actually be the absolute worst example I could think of to describe sweatshop conditions.

The market right now is so competitive for engineers at the present time that tech companies are ever-increasing the salaries and bonuses for their employees so that they can retain them and not lose them to competitors.

This isn't a defense of Google or Facebook who treat their employees far better than they do their customers and have created an industry on selling your data at our own expense, but the companies you selected were not demonstrative of companies that routinely mistreat or pay shit wages to. Had you said Walmart that would have actually made more sense.

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Message 375 of 471 (871919)
02-16-2020 11:37 AM
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Re: Get butts to the poll
I read an interesting article the other day about a political strategist who thinks there are no swing voters. There are Trump voters and Not-Trump voters, and they have already made up their mind. What will decide the election is who gets more people off their couch and to the polls. ...


Looks like a good model. If this assumption/hypothesis is true, then what we need is turnout of progressive voters and anti-trump voters.

... From what I have seen, Bernie may be the best candidate to excite the electorate, despite him being an old frumpy white dude.


With the right selection for VP, according to the article. It argues for a POC female, and I'm thinking Stacey Abrams - Wikipedia or Nina Turner - Wikipedia. Both are strong and passionate. They are geographically worth considering to spread appeal.

Amy Klobuchar - Wikipedia is also worth considering ... for party unity with moderates.

... From what I have seen, Bernie may be the best candidate to excite the electorate, despite him being an old frumpy white dude.


For uniting the party I think Bernie's campaign is the most inclusive and willing to extend hands to other democrats. #NotMeUS

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