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Author Topic:   The 2020 Democratic Presidential Nomination Campaign
Percy
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Message 395 of 505 (872055)
02-19-2020 7:44 AM
Reply to: Message 379 by Percy
02-17-2020 11:03 AM


Re: How "Socialism" is Viewed
My concerns about negative views of socialism were reemphasized again today in Bernie Sanders is not just a garden-variety social democrat. Short excerpt:
quote:
The term has obvious applications to modern politics. As Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) looks increasingly likely to win the Democratic nomination, left-of-center people are anxious to downgrade Sanders’s self-described socialism into something more politically palatable like Great Society liberalism, or perhaps, at maximum, a Nordic-style welfare state.
Despite his own self-labeling, Sanders is not a democratic socialist, not according to actual definitions. I think the term "Great Society liberalism" suggested above is probably the most accurate, but it has two problems. "Great Society" is an antiquated (but legitimate and well respected) term from history, and Bernie should avoid a term that in a modern political campaign sounds old and tired. And "liberalism" is not the way to win independents, though "liberalism" is a definite improvement over "socialism." Combining "Great Society" with "liberalism" is probably an improvement over "socialism," but I don't think by much.
So what label should Sanders use? How about no label? He should acknowledge that (as much as he obviously loves the term) he is not a democratic socialist. He should say this election is not about labels. He should say that he's for government that works for all and not just for the few at the top.
But if Bernie really believes he needs a label then the right one is social democrat. Click the link. It's a much better description of what Bernie is actually advocating:
quote:
Social democracy is a political, social and economic philosophy that supports economic and social interventions to promote social justice within the framework of a liberal democratic polity and a capitalist-oriented economy.
It uses "social" as a modifier, like Social Security, and Bernie could still advocate for those changes he'd like to see in our capitalist system.
But will representatives of the DNC be able to talk sense into Bernie? Not likely.
--Percy
Edited by Percy, : Improve clarity.

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Percy
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Message 427 of 505 (872682)
03-02-2020 8:35 AM
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03-01-2020 1:30 PM


Re: Joe got South Carolina ... Bernie still leads
RAZD writes:
...specially if Steyer drops out...
Steyer dropped out a couple days ago.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 476 of 505 (874637)
04-07-2020 9:05 AM


Wrong thread
Moved to Message 468.
--Percy
Edited by Percy, : Moved message to proper thread.

  
Percy
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Message 477 of 505 (874638)
04-07-2020 9:43 AM


Wrong Thread
Reposted at Message 469.
Edited by Percy, : Moved message to correct thread.

  
Percy
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Message 485 of 505 (875399)
04-25-2020 8:28 AM
Reply to: Message 484 by marc9000
04-24-2020 5:14 PM


Re: Cuomo for President
marc9000 writes:
An excellent chance that Biden would die in office during his first term.
The average life expectancy for a 77-year old male is 10 years. All this means is that 10 years is the most likely, e.g., 10 years is more likely than 9 or 11. I couldn't find anything about the steepness of the probability curve that would tell us things like how sharply the curve drops off after 10 years.
--Percy

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Message 486 of 505 (875401)
04-25-2020 11:21 AM


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Percy
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Message 488 of 505 (875502)
04-27-2020 1:39 PM
Reply to: Message 487 by AnswersInGenitals
04-25-2020 2:38 PM


Re: Cuomo for President
AnswersInGenitals writes:
Percy, that’s not how life expectancy is calculated.
I didn't describe how anything was calculated. Wasn't my explanation of the meaning of life expectancy correct?
It takes all people who are 77 years old this year and then takes the number of those people who survive just one more year, number who survive just two more years. etc. and averages those life spans.
Would it be the same thing to say that each successive year is weighted by the number of people surviving to that age, then averaged?
About probability curves, we may be talking about different ones. I read through your description several times and in the end couldn't decide what the probability was of on your vertical axis, probably just missing something, but in the end I wasn't sure.
I was imagining a probability curve of years lived given a certain age, which would rise toward the most likely number of years and then drop off again. I was curious how rapidly the probabilities dropped off after that most likely value.
--Percy

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