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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The obvious point is that they get off food stamps and unemployment BECAUSE they have jobs. Sheesh. And sorry, Obama kept them on the food stamps and the unemployment without giving them any jobs.
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frako Member (Idle past 328 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
They cant their jobs don't pay well enough to afford rent and food its either or.
Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
They are off food stamps and unemployment and have jobs.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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Exactly
Corin Kealoha and Shaun Karagory both work full time - but cannot afford food without the help of a food bank. "We can't even live off our wages," says Corin, 46, who works as a hotel receptionist. "That's why we come here." BBC
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Which as far as anyone knows has absolutely nothing to do with Trump's achievements. Sounds like they've lived like that for years. And why do you guys always compare improvement with perfection? Just for propaganda's sake, obviously,. Nobody says anything in the economy is perfect, but what I've said about Trump's achievements is true. But you give an anecdote without even any detail so we could judge that situation. Maybe they should scale down their expenditures. That's what wise people do.
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jar Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Yet the fact is the Obama created more jobs during the last three years of his administration that Trump created during his first three years.
Basic Facts Faith, learn the basic facts.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Sorry I believe the people who say that's false.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: The fact that people in full time work need to use food banks is evidence that the unemployment figures are not telling the full story. Being off food stamps and unemployment and having a job is not always enough. Some more quotes:
"Unemployment is low, but unfortunately unemployment is not a great indicator of how many people are hungry," says Jocelyn Lantrip, from the Food Bank of Northern Nevada, which supplies charities, including St Vincent's Food Pantry. And often, those going hungry - or temporarily homeless - are people who already have jobs. This one is pretty relevant to Trump’s achievements:
The latest data from the Census Bureau suggests that median household income is still just below 2008 levels, he adds. And the couple it talks about - their trouble is not something that has gone on unchanged for years.
It's something Corin and Shaun, 39, experienced last year, after Shaun, who works as a security guard, developed fibromyalgia and had to take some time off work. "We became homeless because I couldn't afford to pay the rent," says Corin. "We basically ended up living in our car." They have since moved into a studio apartment - although the rent, which is $900 a month, takes a significant bite out of their wages - they both earn $10 per hour. "About 60% of our households are not invested in the stock market - they depend on wages - and a large percentage of those folks, particularly lower-income workers, haven't benefited from the recovery at all," says Mr Restrepo. "The challenge is that wages have been pretty stagnant after you adjust for inflation." And healthcare is a big issue
Adrielle Hammon, 35, works in a pre-school, making $9 an hour. Last year, she and her husband qualified for Medicaid, a public healthcare scheme for poor Americans - which meant when her son had a medical emergency, the $40,000 hospital bill was covered.
This year, her family's income has grown - Adrielle believes they are now "roughly middle class" - but it means they no longer qualify for Medicaid, and neither of them receives health insurance through work. "We can afford food, gas and bills now," she says. "But you throw in things like hospital bills, and that's something worrisome... I don't go to the doctor for anything unless someone's literally dying."
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: I certainly didn’t. I was pointing out that the you were leaving out an important part of the story. If a couple, in full time work don’t earn enough to live on there is a serious problem.
quote: Because revealing important facts is propaganda to you.
quote: There is more information in the article. And it doesn’t make things look better for you.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I was pointing out that the you were leaving out an important part of the story. If a couple, in full time work don’t earn enough to live on there is a serious problem. Yes and that has been the case for decades, it is unrelated to what we are talking about. And again you don't give enough information to judge their situation in relation to any economic fact.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2285 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 8.3 |
and what evidence do they have to support their position?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
There’s more than enough information to conclude that the reduction in unemployment is not the whole story. The fact that wages haven’t recovered even to 2008 levels is a start.
If they each earn $10 an hour and rent is $900 a month that’s 90 hours of work just to pay rent. Unless they’re working 45+ hour weeks that will be more than a weeks worth. It’s easy to see how they might be unable to pay the rent if one of them was unable to work, as happened. Closing your eyes and refusing to think about it is not going to convince anyone. Any more than the usual false attacks.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
I worked as a software engineer from 1982 until I aged out and retired in 2018. I was lucky to be able to stay with the same company for 27 years to the end of my career.
I got that last job in 1995 when I was still married. She worked as a public school teacher and at our Date of Separation in 2004 we made about the same amount (she made slightly more, so I was waiting for her to start talking about alimony so that I could ask how much I was going to get -- but it never came up). 14 years later I was making about $90,000 a year; I forget how much it was in 1995. During our marriage, we maintained separate checking accounts and assumed separate financial responsibilities. I was in charge of paying the mortgage, utilities, homeowners and auto insurance, etc, while she paid for food, clothing, our children's needs, etc. Car payments were negotiable, but we normally paid for our own cars unless it was not feasible. In our early years getting started we racked up about $15,000 in credit card debt for which I got a consolidation loan to pay off and which I in turn paid off. With my fairly good wages, I could just barely keep up on my responsibilities and at one point she had to take over my car payments (boy, did she not like that!). Also, the career of an engineer can be unstable (I've referred to it as being a high-tech migrant worker), so she put our children on her medical insurance and, since it cost no more to do so, also me. The early 90's was a time of more rapid turn-over in jobs for me, mainly because small businesses would hire me for a project that then went away in two years or seven months. And then there's the work ethic idea that you should be willing to take any job that presents itself. An engineer cannot find another engineering job, so he doesn't work as he tries to find a job in engineering. He should be willing to work in a Kwik-E-Mart, right? Well, while job hunting in 1995 I did the math (something that creationists and other professional liars really hate). If I were to go to work in a minimum wage job, how many hours a week would I need to put in to be able to pay for my household responsibilities? I forget the actual figures now, but it amounted to much more than 80 hours a week -- more than twice a normal work week. I would have been willing to take such minimum wage jobs if necessary, but I could also see how futile that would be. And if (pardon my French) one wants to object to whether my situation should be applicable since I was dealing with a mortgage instead of paying rent, one currently pays as much if not more in rent than one would in a mortgage payment -- indeed, mortgage payments remain constant whereas rents continually increase. So indeed, just counting who has a job and who doesn't (the unemployment statistics) does not tell the entire story. What are they earning and how do their earnings cover their basic expenses? Everybody working at Walmart in the USA has a job, but most of those jobs are structured so that they work too few hours to qualify for benefits, including medical. New hires at Walmart go through the usual orientation briefings, including (in the USA) instructions on how to apply to all kinds of welfare including food stamps. You know, those things that the Trump administration is stripping away. So Walmart has to deprive its employees of basic benefits in order to survive? In the meantime, the Walmarts across the border in Canada provide their employees full benefits and do just fine. Having a job and being able to survive on your earnings are two entirely different things.
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Social Security has two parts: retirement is one, disability is the other. Trump's budget proposes cuts to the disability side of Social Security. These cuts, if implemented, would of course not affect the annual budget deficit but would help reduce the rate of growth of the national debt. See
Trump Calls for Social Security Cuts for the 4th Consecutive Year | The Motley Fool
for a few details.
Some individuals can receive both retirement and disability Social Security benefits under certain limited circumstances. Anyone whose monthly Social Security retirement benefit is small, I would guess something below $1000/month, and who became disabled after retirement, might qualify for disability. Medicaid is usually a better option for those with disability issues, but Trump is proposing cuts to that, too: https://thehill.com/...ting-medicaid-aca-by-about-1-trillion --Percy
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