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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
A major issue is in how the workforce dispersion is handled. It could provide benefits if handled correctly; through a gradual transition and training program within a generational matrix but I estimated there was only a slight chance of that happening. The problem I see is that to absorb the growing workforce in a climate of shrinking jobs due to automation, either the number of companies increases dramatically (and what do they produce when all needs are met with current production), or we have make-work programs run by the government/s similar to what occurred post depression, or there has to be support for non-workers. This could be grants for art projects, grants for pure science or people just being paid to be consumers and thus support the economy. Coops of people supported by government funding could also work on going to space, building the equipment etc. And then there is scoloarhip, learning for the sake of learning, expanding the sphere of knowledge. Could. But in a capitalistic society it likely won't and there will be widespread poverty. That way lies widespread crime and revolution. So something would be needed to keep people satisfied. The problem is that nobody grows up saying they want a dead-end job living in a box, working in a box. What do you want to do? Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : . Edited by RAZD, : ..by our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Well, and Cuba, and North Korea, and Bolivia, and Ecuador, and Nicaragua, and Peru, etc... Totalitarian governments are not socialism or communism. It's not what the people want. That was the problem with the USSR (and why it fell apart), and is currently the problem in Hong Kong. We also see China having trouble.
Its funny, when you ask the Nordic countries why they switched to a Socialist model some said it was because of how they saw the United States using the Veterans Affairs as a template. Now most Americans distance themselves from terms like Socialism. Curious article from Forbes (business biased)
quote: Or socialized capitalism, developed democratically by the government that the people vote for. It seems to me that this is precisely what Bernie is advocating, plus minimum wage. Certainly strong unions is part of his program, which should be unnecessary in a purely socialist state.
But in any event, people forget that China is still a communist nation, albeit they changed how they do business. They knew they could never compete in a true Marxist/Leninist/Maoist style of communism in terms of production and GDP compared to capitalist societies. So they, quite cleverly actually, said if you can't beat them, join them.... sort of. Just as Forbes describes how the Nordic countries are not really socialist countries, so too there is no real communist country. They are oligarchies and autocratic. In this they are no different from dictatorships. The nordic countries combine a capitalistic economy with a social conscience, much as we do with the social programs we have..
The architect of the Command Economy, which also is a hybrid of communism and capitalism, allowed for a semi-autonomous free market that is more or less still under the thumb of the PRC. The only problem is that they still hold very draconian views on personal rights and zero tolerance for dissent against the government. It didn't end with Tank Man. China still has a rich and storied tradition of making figures oppositional to the government to magically and mysteriously vanish... even under one of the largest surveillance states ever erected. They are mixing capitalism with communist programs under an authoritarian government instead of a democracy.
I think Percy is right to point out that the term might as well be toxic waste in the present era. Timing is everything. In the 90's, there was a gay rights push that was suppressed. People like Hilary Clinton, knowing the pulse on the street, distanced herself from it because she didn't think Americans were ready to accept it. And she was right. Was she? She lost critical votes in critical states, no matter that she won the popular vote in other states. Those critical states bear some looking at. The voters there that went for Trumpy were the working class workers that the Democrats had left behind. Bernie won those states in the primaries, iirc. Michigan for instance.
The same applies. Maybe socialism is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but good luck convincing the bulk of Americans that when they have so many real-world examples of why it should never take root. And yet the Nordic countries continue to flourish, not only with a good economy, but with the highest happiness factors in the world. Money isn't happiness.
If you go to the extreme that Bernie is, the chance of beating Trump diminishes. Death by a thousand cuts, while taking much longer, is preferable than a decapitation. People are more comfortable with the devil they already know. Bernie beats Trump in head to head national polling every time and has for 3 years. Even when he is presented as a socialist rather than a democratic. See Message 320.
If you go to the extreme that Bernie is, ... Bernie is not extreme, he is a return to old democrat positions. Take FDR, the most popular president in US history. Look at his Second Bill of Rights - Wikipedia
Now is not the time to go full bore Socialist. It has too many negative connotations associated with it. Timing is everything. If your goal is to beat Trump in the next election, its gonna be hard to argue against the numbers he's putting up under an extremely capitalist structure. Jobs are up, unemployment is down, fuel prices are the lowest they've been in a long time, the economy is booming, etc. Now is precisely the time to return to social values where people and family are more critical than money. People want honest pay for honest work. The stock market is booming, but the number of jobs that pay $15/hr or more not so much. People working multiple jobs to make ends meet depresses the unemployment numbers but doesn't improve their lives. How many americans are making better than a living wage? That's a better indicator of the health of the economy.
If the goal is beat Trump then you're going to have to find someone that can deliver similar expectations while still able to make improvements. You're going to need someone more moderate than Bernie's views to do it, more than likely. Your going to need someone who not only has mass appeal, but someone that inspires people to run for other positions, from Dog Catcher to Senator. The only one I see doing that is Bernie, example AOC. AOC and the "squad" is one of the best things to happen to the Democratic party, because they knocked the Dems on their haunches and revitalized the party. She was inspired by Bernie to run. We don't need to just beat Trump, we need to beat the GOP, and the only candidate I see with the widespread support to do that is Bernie. Curiously, I also think he is best suited to unite the people after the divisiveness of trump. His ability to work with both sides to get bills passed is a good indicator. Let's see how he does in Nevada today. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
The reality is that some jobs will become obsolete... and something else will take its place. But, if as Andrew Yang suggests, that overnight truckers would be replaced by self-driving trucks, it would be fairly catastrophic. But there is no sign that it would happen overnight. Self-driving cars have been tested for about a decade and they are still not online en masse. There will be jobs in 10 years that we've never even considered possible. If we can understand evolution in biological terms it should come as no surprise that the labor market operates in a similar way. Did the invention of the telephone make telegraph operators obsolete? Yup, no dispute. Did it just create new jobs in the telephone industry? Sure did and in fact created way more jobs than it replaced. Evolution is inevitable. And in the 1950's everyone was predicting shorter work days and more leisure time to enjoy travel by jet packs. Gung ho the future will be great. The population of the earth has doubled since then. Doubled. That's a rate of growth that cannot be maintained without consequence. Curiously I am less concerned with everyone having a job, but in doing what they like to do and how much fun they have, and how we convert our society to value free time over $$. It should be easy. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Still no final results, but Bernie projected to win, largely due to hispanic vote.
Bernie should start playing up his ability to unite people of different backgrounds. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
News not reporting number of delegates ... ?
quote: quote: quote: Sleepy Joe will need to do very well in SC ... Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
quote: No one else made the 15% cutoff for earned delegates. As the DNC is against Bernie the 9 unpledged delegates will likely go to Joe, rather than split 6 Joe and 3 Bernie ... Updating the previous table of delegates with the pledge delegate counts gives
1,991 needed to win nomination Are we ready for a raucous super Tuesday? California big for Bernie with a lot of early voting already inTexas likely for Bernie but not a blowout, again a lot of early voting already in southern states similar to SC likely for Joe ... will it be enough to catch Bernie? Who will drop out? Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : . Edited by RAZD, : converted to 2nd tableby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Yeah, I was planning on voting for Warren, but now there's a good chance she won't make the threshold for getting any delegates here in OK, and so my vote might be wasted. The talking heads on MSNBC and CNN were talking about how the DNC would want Warren and Klobuchar to stay in the race to take away possible Bernie delegates so that Biden could win, specially if Steyer drops out and they can get Bloomberg to endorse Biden and convert his adds (already paid for time) to pro Biden ... Because heaven for fend we should choose a publicly popular candidate ... when they can force Biden on us. Baturds Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
RAZD writes: ...specially if Steyer drops out... Steyer dropped out a couple days ago. and now Klobuchar and Butigieg Getting a lot of delegates from states that are deep red (in South Carolina Trump beat Hillary by 15%) may get you to the convention but it doesn't say squat about electability. Same for a lot of southern states that Joe is predicted to win on Tuesday. IF it goes to a brokered convention I would hope that the one that does best in blue and purple states would mean more than who does well in deep red states ... IF they truly want to win the election or prefer the (even now) status quo ... for those who have not been harmed by Trumps policies and don't care about the people. The DNC elite and DINO superdelegates don't care squat about the people. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Seems Biden had a good showing on Super Tuesday. Although once the results of California come in, I think Sanders will still have the delegate lead. Hillary was in better position than Biden is, and the gap kept closing after supertuesday.
And 93 delegates out of 415 pledge delegates in California leaves 322 to go ... and at the current proportion that means ~250 for Sanders and ~73 for Biden ... Funny how little outcry that the results aren't known, when that was such a big issue for Iowa ... ... could it be that withholding final results makes Joe look better? It's not a sprint, it's a marathon. The opera ain't ova Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
I have really been thinking lately and I don't think I want Biden to beat Trump and it has to do with the fact that we could have 16 years of Biden and his VP ruining the Earth's climate in an irreversible destruction. But another Supreme Court nomination could be disastrous for women's rights for decades. Agreed, that 8 (not 16) years of Biden spells doom for climate action.
... CNN has Biden at 800 delegates and Sanders at 660 so perhaps there is still time to save the looming disaster. "Clinton News Network" has a strong democrat party elite bias. Democratic Delegate Count and Primary Election Results 2020 - The New York Times shows 857 for Biden and 705 for Bernie as of their latest update. They also show 45 delegates not yet assigned in California and Colorado. (one has to wonder why ... unless they are held back by DNC to make Biden look stronger)
I might support Biden if he shocks us all and picks a good VP running mate, but I fear it could be Amy Klobuchar or something almost as bad. If he is truly pragmatic he should pick Warren to unite the party, otherwise he will see the same abandonment by Bernie independents that Hillary had. This could be why she has not endorsed anyone yet. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Democratic Delegate Count and Primary Election Results 2020 - The New York Times
Biden 864Sanders 710 Δ 154 With 27 California, 18 Colorado, 9 Utah and 55 Washington (total 109) delegates to be determined ... all major Bernie States wins. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
My source, Democratic Delegate Count and Primary Election Results 2020 - The New York Times, latest update has
Biden 881Sanders 725 With 22 California, 18 Colorado, 9 Utah, and 27 Washington delegates not assigned out of 78 total yet to be assigned, all states Sanders won or tied. I just find it suspicious that none of the states Joe won have such a lag in assigning delegates and that there is no outcry about as there was about Iowa. So far it looks like the 1 on 1 debate will go on, without an audience ... which means no biased crowd stuffing as in previous debates. I expect medicare4all and covid-19 to take center stage. Watch this space. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Democratic Delegate Count and Primary Election Results 2020 - The New York Times
Biden 1180Bernie 885 Δ 295 MSM says Biden is closing in on magic number 1991 ... with just over half the needed number ... I expected Florida to be heavy for Biden, but I expected Arizona to be better for Bernie Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
So the pause has given California etc time to get their counts in:
Democratic Delegate Count and Primary Election Results 2020 - The New York TimesBiden 1,217 Bernie 914 303 not much difference. New York will likely be the next big test, not only for holding a primary but for how people are reacting to the virus and medicare. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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