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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
phat writes: Are you at peace with atheism? Sorry to butt in, but this is an irrelevant question to an atheist. You're bringing you're belief system to it - if you want to understand how atheists view stuff, you really do need to abandon all your preconceptions about what it is to not be like you. Happy to attempt this but you have to switch off your pre-programming.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Here we go again, you're seeing signs of end times. Gagging for it.
And yet again it won't happen, and yet again, like all the other failed prophets, your faith in the end time will be increased by the failure and you'll blather on talking nonsense. Get a life faith, just get a real life. Do something useful with it and try to stop only thinking about yourself and destroying everything for everyone else. It's a really toxic form of narcism.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith writes: So each generation reads those passages as pertaining to themselves. Which is exactly what you and everyone else has done for 2,000 years. And all of you are wrong and always will be wrong. But somehow it doesn't matter that everyone that has ever claimed to know has been proven not to know. Go figure.
Eventually there will be a generation in which it is fulfilled during our lives. Nope. It's never happened and it never will. You'll lose every bet you make on this and I'll take any bet you like.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith writes: Well, oh Tangled One, all I can say is that maybe if you slowed down and stopped jumping to conclusions and tried to think through how it all hangs together quite nicely as I believe I have shown, it might start to make some sense to you. Having admitted that all previous prophesies of end times have failed, that you personally can't work it out and that all those that claim to have worked it out can't agree on it - how does that turn into hanging together quite nicely'? And how about that bet?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Phat writes: They will always fail.A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign....but signs and wonders will follow those who believe. Preachy nonsense, just parroting learnt garbage.
And to your credit, I think you have at least an interst in all of this. Otherwise, why waste time arguing about it? I'm interested in why people believe such obvious garbage. The garbage itself is irrelevant.
Not that you believe a word of it. You are honest. If God did turn out to exist, you would likely pay Him far more respect than most Christians now do. Not if he's the evil bastard in your book I wouldn't.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith writes: I'm back to expecting it to come suddenly as a surprise to everybody. The best we can do is recognize that we are in the "season" in which it is likely to occur. But you expect it to be in your lifetime? Next 50 years? How long is your 'season'? Another 2,000 years? I'll take any of those and give you odds.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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Faith writes: I'm "expecting" it any minute but also know I could be wrong and it could be far enough in the future that I'll die before it happens. A season could be a hundred years or so, but we are all feeling that it's very close and expecting it any minute. Does it not bother you at all that people have been saying that for millennia? For you guys the end of the world has always been nigh. You see signs everywhere you look, it's completely bonkers.
Since I think he'll be possessed by Satan himself, he could even die and then "come back to life" through Satan's possession of his body. You wouldn't be out of place in a middle ages witch hunt. You're batshit crazy.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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Bonkers...
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith writes: Want to come back to one of the points I started out with, that's my own thought as far as I know: the idea that the Rapture could be very close just because this current Pope is so old. If he's the Antichrist of Revelation it can't be too far away. I accept this idea because the Protestant Reformers made a good biblical case for the Pope as the Antichrist, also because of the calculation that the Roman numerals in "Vicarivs Filii Dei," meaning "In the place of the Son of God" which is as good as saying "Antichrist," which is a title of the Pope, add up to 666. Aha, another silly prediction that I guarantee will fail. So this pope - who is one of the most Christian in my lifetime btw - is 86, how much are you prepared to bet that there will be a rapture in the next, say 14 years? 20 years?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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No bet then, your belief doesn't seem as real as mine does it?
Faith writes: Time will tell Time has already told. It was supposed to happen soon after Christ's death. It didn't. And for the last couple of thousand years superstitious primitives like you have been reading imaginary tea leaves predicting that it was just around the corner. Always the signs were there but when it never happened they claim they read them wrong. And it starts all over again. Exactly like you've been doing here over the years. No learning, just a wasted life. Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
Faith writes: Time will tell. Time has already told. It was supposed to happen soon after Christ's death. It didn't. And for the last couple of thousand years superstitious primitives like you have been reading imaginary tea leaves predicting that it was just around the corner. Always the signs were there but when it never happened they claim they read them wrong. And it starts all over again. Exactly like you've been doing here over the years. No learning, just a wasted life.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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Are we supposed to forget everything you've said that contradicts yourself? I know you do, but you can't rely on others to.
Faith on 1st September 2018 writes: So why do I believe the Rapture could be as close as this coming Rosh Hashanah? Well, it's mostly a series of personal experiences of things that remind me of such an event, just little personal hints, no major revelations or anything like that, just little things I take as reassurances and proddings from the Lord to be ready. Maybe many people are getting such hints these days. Followed by 10 detailed reasons why you thought it was coming with a specific date.
But if the Rapture occurs on Israel time I'd need to start watching about 10 AM on the 9th which would be their sunset which would be when they blow the shofar there. I don't want to be out on the balcony in the heat so I'll start watching from inside. You wouldn't bet me then either. Yup, my faith is stronger than yours. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith writes: ...this time all the signs are quite objective as you can see for yourself. Objective? What? You're making up all kinds of crap out of thin air.
That doesn't mean I've got it right this time either, Of course you haven't got it right - I personally guarantee it.
it will either pan out or it won't. You're so glib about this stuff - all you care about is searching for silly signs that you're right. It never occurs to you that when it doesn't work out that it's you that was wrong.
I'd point out also that I'm not predicting a date as I did the other time. All I'm saying here is that IF Francis is the Antichrist THEN it's going to have to come fairly soon. If it does I'll be gone -- as will some of your acquaintances no doubt -- and you may have to rethink a few things. The history of these things - and there's a huge amount of it going back centuries - is that people like you start by making specific predictions then when they fail - because they always have to - the predictions become imminent but vague. Another thing I can guarantee is that when this new prophecy of yours fails, you won't be rethinking anything but the next pile of nonsense.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
Faith writes: What? Hey, be fair. I certainly know, and said, I was wrong about the Rosh Hashanah idea of a couple years ago. I don't think even you could say you were right it didn't bloody happen. Or am I underestimating you?
And yes the signs I've described here ARE objective. You need to appreciate the meaning of that word. In exactly the same way as Nostradamus predictions are objective, ie. no connection to the word at all.
But whatever, it's still the case if they pan out they pan out and if they don't, then I WAS WRONG. OK? Again, when I am talking about my own theories I can certainly be wrong. But God can't be wrong so when I am talking about scripture, even if its interpretation is not clear to me or anyone else, it is nevertheless the truth becauase it is God's truth. Crap.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith writes: No. Nostradamus is vague and ambiguous, and the signs I listed are sharp and objective. You obviously aren't to be taken seriously. So sharp and objective that even you can't actually rely on them can you? Or do you feel brave enough to give us another date to be proved wrong about again?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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