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LamarkNewAge
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Message 397 of 505 (872060)
02-19-2020 11:53 AM


I like this about Sanders labeling himself socialist
The American people will understand that there are Socialist parties in other countries and the party members have diverse views. Like all parties, Socialists have right and left wing members. Look at the Socialist party in France.

  
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Message 399 of 505 (872109)
02-20-2020 10:48 AM


Sanders beats Trump 50 to 45 in North Carolina.
Survey USA had a massive 2400 voter poll and Sanders wins by 5 in North Carolina. Bloomberg was up 6 over Trump.
This means that Sanders is doing as well in NC as he did in the national general election poll the same polling outfit just took.
Sanders outperformed most of the moderates in NC and also in a new Florida poll where he is 48 to 48 with Trump. But Bloomberg wins 50 to 44 and Biden 49 to 48. Buttigieg and Klobuchar loose 48 to 44.
Sounds like a good chunk of the south likes socialism so far. Polls are not helping the bull crap pushers but are actually showing Sanders is very electable so bring on the issues discussion. Here is one. Why do the moderates not feel all should have a right to health care. Sanders feels we should pay for it and get it already. Just get it done and take care of the problem. Finally.

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Message 402 of 505 (872146)
02-20-2020 10:24 PM
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02-20-2020 1:44 PM


Re: Sanders beats Trump 50 to 45 in North Carolina.
The 2016 polls were accurate. Not just the national polls but also the state polls.
I believe the 1960 race was the only time polls were fairly wrong. JFK was up by 5 in the polls but the race was a tie.
1948 had an upset but I never researched the relevance of polls in that race. I have not seen any upsets in recent times.
The 2000 race had Bush up over Gore by about 5 points just days before the election but the DUI breaking late is explained as the reason for the drop.
But I noticed before that my point is being missed. The race will be close and electability should cease to be discussed. Sanders got screwed in 2016 over the electability issue and the crazy thing is that it was not even the issue of just the question about being unable to win the GENERAL election BUT the presumed inability to win the necessary delegates FOR THE PRIMARY was used to successfully get Democratic voters to reject him in the primary. Voters were brainwashed in the Democratic primary and it seemed like an exceptional case unlike typical brainwashing that always happens.
It just seemed unique but people can say similar stuff always happens in one form or another.
I have never seen or heard of anything quite like the 2016 Democratic primary for President of the United States.

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Message 403 of 505 (872147)
02-20-2020 10:32 PM


Guess ehat MSNBC and CNN are saying about Sanders now
They are saying that he did not want the elected or PLEDGED delegates to decide the election in 2016. It is repeated endlessly today. I lost count.
Do I really need to explain what a load of crap that is.
His push to run until the convention vote is really being used to twist a lie or just plain lie.

  
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Message 414 of 505 (872422)
02-27-2020 8:59 AM


Only Sanders beats Trump in Pennsylvania poll
Sanders beats Trump by 3.
Biden is tied
All others loose.
That was Morning Call and it is new.
As for Virginia Sanders beats Trump by the most points. 9 to be exact. University of Virginia poll.
Sanders beats Trump in the latest Wisconsin polls also.
The only state Hillary Clinton won that Sanders is down in is New Hampshire and that was a poll from a month ago. Biden did worse than Sanders there anyway.
Sanders will win Michigan so he just needs Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Both are close but Sanders is stronger than Biden in both.
And he can loose New Hampshire to Trump but still win with Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan flipping from Trump to him. It would be amazing if he won states like Texas and North Carolina too. Don't forget Florida. Hillary lost these 3 states but Sanders has polled amazingly well in all 3.
Sanders is electable and in a way that other candidates are not. Hillary Clinton is a done deal and the evidence is in on the lie about her electable credits. The media should talk about the load of crap the same Sanders critics said 4 years ago.

  
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Message 415 of 505 (872423)
02-27-2020 9:14 AM


Two polls in a row show Sanders alone beats Trump in Pennsylvania
The Morning Call poll had Sanders alone beating Trump there.
There was also the Madison Election Research Center poll which had Biden beating Trump by 1 in Pennsylvania and Sanders winning by the largest margin. 2 points.
The same Madison poll had Sanders winning by the most points in Michigan. 8 points over Trump.
This Madison poll was the one that had Sanders and Biden beating Trump by 2 in Wisconsin while Trump won over all candidates in another poll on the general election race there.
The Virginia poll that had Sanders winning by nine was Roanoke University.
Sanders beats Trump by the largest margin in all of these states but Biden matches his narrow margin in Wisconsin.
Hillary lost all these states except Virginia.

  
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Message 416 of 505 (872424)
02-27-2020 9:37 AM


More details on Wisconsin Pennsylvania and Michigan
I went to the actual site to see the numbers. The University of Madison ERC with State Journal and You Gov worked on these polls.
The numbers show several candidates beat Trump by 2 in Pennsylvania in their poll. Sanders beats Trump by the most in the others but I forgot already lol.
The poll shows that 82 to 89 percent that voted for Clinton in 2016 plan to vote for the Democratic nominee in the 2020 general election. But 89 to93 percent that voted for Trump in 2016 plan to do so again. Voters who sat out in 2016 favor Democratic candidates by 2 to 1 in 2020.
The website has good detail on other questions too. Michigan has Trump at a 47 percent strong unfavorable rating which outnumbers the combination of slight favorable and strongly favor.
It is a project that will look at the 3 states and these are the 3 big Trump 2016 states that he is trying to hold.
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Message 419 of 505 (872479)
02-27-2020 11:43 PM


New Marquette poll has ONLY Sanders beating Trump in Wisconsin
This was unknown to me when I made my posts earlier today.
Even Meet The Press had the host challenge the crap claim of Biden supporter Ted Strickland and he used the Marquette poll to show that evidence does not back up the claims that Sanders is a bad candidate.
A lot of evidence that keeps coming.
Also a University of New Hampshire poll has Sanders breaking even with Trump in New Hampshire while Biden looses by 2 and Bloomberg looses by 14. Buttigieg polls strong in every New Hampshire poll. He wins by 6. It is a rare example of Buttigieg running strong in a state against Trump.
Back to the big 3 Trump states.
Sanders is strongest in Michigan . He should be favored there.
Pennsylvania and Wisconsin could also flip.
Sanders winning Michigan but loosing New Hampshire would take Trumps 306 electoral college score down to 296.
Here are a few paths to bringing him down to 268 or lower.
First Sanders can win Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.
Or he could win Texas alone.
Or he could win Florida alone.
Or win Arizona and North Carolina.
Sanders has a lot of targets and Trump will only get his words used against him when single payer healthcare is the hottest issue.
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Message 420 of 505 (872579)
02-28-2020 9:18 PM


2 Texas general election polls just came out. Exciting results.
One was taken by CNN with SSRS. It had 1004 registered voters taken from Feb 21 to 26
The other poll was taken by Univision and Houston University and Latino Decision. Taken from Feb 22 to 26 and it talked to 1003 registered voters.
Bloomberg lost 47 to 46 in the CNN poll but won the Univision poll 44 to 43.
Biden won the CNN poll 48 to 47 but lost the Univision poll 46 to 43.
Sanders was tied 45 to 45 in the Univision poll but lost 48 to 46 in the CNN poll.
This means that the combined results of 2 big state polls tell us that the Lone Star states 38 electoral votes are up for grabs and it is too close to call.
Klobuchar and Buttigieg lost in both polls and Warren tied in the CNN poll but lost by 7 in the Univision poll.Buttigieg lost the Univision poll by 6 and Klobuchar lost by 7 in the same poll.
Also note that AtlasIntel just released a newer South Carolina poll, which has Sanders and Biden loosing to Trump in SC 48 to 42. You will note that I showed the results from a poll just after Iowa by AtlasIntel and Trump won with the typical double digits in South Carolina.
Now I am wondering if Democrats are really going to have a chance in the less conservative North Carolina neighborhood if South Carolina isn't yet a total Trump blowout we all expect. North Carolina saw Hillary Clinton loose by 3.6 percent while SC gave Trump a 54 to 41 win.
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Message 426 of 505 (872670)
03-01-2020 9:46 PM


Biden looks more regional than Hillary Clinton was.
Hillary Clinton was a candidate that rode a wave of sweeping the front loaded southern primaries, the wave of favorable media commentary, and the wave of mammoth Democratic establishment support.
Biden looks like he will get southern states alone, while Hillary Clinton branched out to a fair extent. Sort of. Sanders beats Biden in Texas, Kentucky and possibly Virginia. Biden will win Delaware. Biden used to call his home state a southern state. Missouri and Oklahoma will go Biden. I imagine North Dakota might vote for Biden over the fracking issue. Despite the fracking issue, Montana could still go to Sanders.
Biden looks like he might possibly win Indiana too. Don't think he wins South Dakota and Alaska, but he might.
Biden gets 17 to 18 states.
Sanders gets 29 to 32.
I think Sanders could get as little as 47 to 49 percent of pledged delegates however. Bloomberg will not release his 3 to 4 percent of pledged delegates so Sanders will have to try to get the other 1.5 to 2 percent of non Biden pledged delegates to choose him in the first round.
Round 2 will see the Supers defeat Sanders so I hope there is no round 2.

  
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Message 440 of 505 (872811)
03-04-2020 10:54 PM
Reply to: Message 436 by NosyNed
03-04-2020 12:04 PM


The Economist rejects the only candidate who meets climate science calls
Only Sanders tackles climate change and greenhouse gases. It takes money to transition in time FOR STARTERS.
The Economist did not put actual dollar numbers on the attacks on Sanders plan costs.
The Economist rattled off programs like the federal job guarantee and free tuition but failed to mention that each of these programs are fairly limited. Less than 100 billion dollars a year each. The University issue is limited to tuition at government schools and is nothing revolutionary as it used to be the norm in many places. Roughly the norm. The federal job guarantee is aimed at the poor and it might not cost anything, depending on how it is done.
Healthcare system reform is over 80 percent of the Sanders new government spending in his proposals. Employers already pay for healthcare so their payroll tax won't be anything painful. Obamacare has mandates that force premium taxes on lower income folks that will be replaced by smaller payroll taxes paid by workers.
There is a pleasant exemption for employers first million dollars in payroll before employers pay their payroll tax.
Nice if Biden actually has to talk issues in a 1 on 1 race. But The Economist just rattled off a detail free soundbite by British standards. No dollar numbers per program and no actual program details.
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Message 448 of 505 (872928)
03-06-2020 8:33 PM


Sanders never attacks over smaller issues but he should.
He wants a debate solely over healthcare FOR A FOCUS ON THE LARGER HUMAN RIGHT TO CARE but he should take on the smaller lies and claims on piecemeal issues.
There is a big lie that Hillary Clinton and now joe Biden like to spew. The lie is the claim that they are trying to strengthen the Affordable Care Act.
But look at the facts.
Look at the Medicaid expansion which gave everybody making under 4300 dollars a quarter get the right to free healthcare for the next three months.
As President of the Senate, from 2009 to 2017, Biden was supposed to be THERE in the Senate when the Supreme Court decided that the 90 federal government funding of the Medicaid expansion was 10 percent too little for the states to be required to expand. Biden made no attempt to legislate the 3 billion dollars per year needed to fund the expansion 100 percent.
But it gets worse.
The 500 billion dollars per year Bush tax cuts expired just after the Supreme Court threw out the requirement that states expand Medicaid with only 90 percent federal government funding. 2013 was the year both the big events happened. Mid 2013 was the big court decision. Terminal 2013 was the end of the Bush tax cuts. But Democrats voted to make the Bush cuts permanent for those making under 450 thousand bucks per year. Without any compromise from the Republicans, 85 percent of the Bush tax cuts were extended for ever and ever. Not a whisper from Democrats about the small but vital 3 billion dollars needed to give all super poor people the right to healthcare.
The only debate I saw was a few brave Senate Democrats objecting to extending the tax cuts to people making a half million dollars a year. About 6 Democrats opposed the absurd YEA vote to give the treasury to the high income earners for endless deficits and endless cuts to the few social programs as a result. Iowa Democratic Senator Tom Harkin said that there should be a debate over the absurdity that 450 thousand a year constutes a middle class income as fellow Democrats like California Senator Barbara Boxer claimed. Harkin felt that a yearly income of 60 to 70 thousand dollars made a person rich in his estimation but that a debate should be required before the permanent expansion.
Boxer is a massive supporter of Joe Biden today.
They both have a record of caring more about those making 450 thousand a year in 2013 dollars than strengthening the Affordable Care Act to this day.
Now the Bush tax cuts remnant are extended for those making 500 thousand a year in 2020 and the cost is over 500 billion dollars a year. Over 3 times larger than the Trump tax cuts.
Who thinks that Biden really cares about the Trump tax cuts when he blathers about them in soundbites.
Who thinks Biden really cares about healthcare when he invokes ObamaCare to attack Sanders. Remember Hillary Clinton and the bull ssss that Sanders broader health care system reform was somehow an attack on Barack Obama and his 2009 change. Biden is using the same old crap tactic.

  
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Message 450 of 505 (872983)
03-07-2020 8:20 PM


Insincerity sets a person AND PARTY up for a deadly trap
Remember when Biden was dumb enough to say he would like to have the opportunity to punch Trump. This means that we might see Trump and Biden in a two or three hit fight if they face off in the debate . Picture the fall debate face off. Imagine Trump bringing up Biden's punch line. What could happen. A 3 hit fight if Biden accepts Trumps offer to hit him. Trump will hit back and that will be hit 2. Biden hitting the ground will be hit 3.
Or will Biden refuse to hit when Trump happily brings Biden's past boast up.
I don't know what will happen but Trump could run a campaign that portrays Biden as an insincere politician who is not likely to be talking to the public in a respectful fashion.
Trump might not go there but Biden would possibly look like the one at fault even if Trump initiates the reminder to Biden. I don't know if Trump would run a campaign which attacks Biden's insincerity but it would create an atmosphere and context to help tee up the reminder.
The possibility must be considered.
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Message 452 of 505 (872996)
03-08-2020 12:56 PM


Tuesday states
One bit of good news is that there was another Washington State poll that had Sanders down by 1 point to Biden.
That means that wins in Arizona and Michigan would be able to give the big wins to Sanders.
Michigan's demographics must be looked at. Whites are 75 percent plus. But 5 percent are Sanders supporting Arab Americans. Asians are 3.4 percent. Hispanics are 5.2 percent. Native Americans are 0.7 percent. Two or more race folks are 2.5 percent.
African Americans are 14.1 and that would seem to give Biden a massive advantage. But Sanders actually held Hillary Clinton to a 64 to 32 advantage in Michigan 4 years ago so he might be able to keep Biden's advantage down as well. Jesse Jackson just endorsed Sanders and the 2 will hold a rally tonight.
Sanders is going to be AT BEST a little behind in delegates and total states won for a good while. Sanders winning Michigan will keep this campaign going until the debates can FINALLY introduce an actual issue focus into this pathetic primary. So far pathetic. It will be a sad day in America if this race ends after being 100 percent based on DNC and elite media scare tactics with substance free propaganda.
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Message 454 of 505 (873000)
03-08-2020 2:09 PM
Reply to: Message 453 by Chiroptera
03-08-2020 1:31 PM


Re: PZ Myers said it so well - Random thoughts about the course of this election
Hillary Clinton supporters said she was so much better at working with Republicans and Sanders would not be able to work with Republicans.
I countered by saying that wars wars wars would indeed be amped up with the opposite sides joining together with leader Hillary. Sanders would find some Republican anti war partners like Rand Paul but we need to get a top down solution on the bloated militarily budget and the pervasive militarism.
On healthcare, Sanders voted for the Senate version of ObamaCare even though it lacked a public option. Sanders cast the deciding vote to get the 60 needed. Sanders was one of 2 independents who were joined to the 58 full Democratic members of the then 60 member caucus. The other was Joe Lieberman and he singlehandedly sunk the Senate attempt to get a public option Affordable Care Act bill passed. The Senate version only funded the Medicaid expansion to 138 percent of the poverty rate while the House version was 150 percent. Sanders compromised endlessly.
Sanders was the Senator that was responsible for the vital community health centers and he worked with elected officials in both bodies to put them in the AFA.
Sanders at the top of government ensures that every last compromise from Democrats FOR THE PEOPLE will be found.
Sanders alone and all alone AS PREDIDENT ensures the unique but necessary situation that facilitates the compromise.

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