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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
While it may be objective fact that a crow and a gull attacked a dove released by the Pope it is not objectively a sign, let alone a sign that he is the AntiChrist.
Even if it were taken as a sign it has no clear and objective meaning. That is obvious. Who could possibly deny it?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: You may think so, but that does nothing to clarify the meaning.
quote: So if it is a sign it’s more likely related to the war in Syria.
quote: And my point is that that isn’t important when the meaning - if any - is far from clear. Even your previous signs of the Rapture included things that were clear in your way - like the preacher talking about Rose Hashanah (which almost certainly was due to Rosh Hashanah being close).
quote: I’m scoffing at how you derive it. And the fact that there really is no reason to think that the Tribulation is close anyway, which would mean that Pope Francis is not the AntiChrist.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
The point of mentioning the bird thing was that your claim of objectivity was greatly compromised. The others are also subjective in both their significance and meaning. The announcement of the election at 19:06 could easily be a coincidence, unlucky 13 is pure superstition and I’m sure that there have been lightning strikes at St Peter’s before and after.
Let us also note that Francis has been Pope for nearly 7 years without anything happening. As you say he’s old now, and could die or retire in a few years. And just one more question. What makes you think that a Pope could possibly use 666 as a personal symbol? That is the main Biblical significance of the number - and even you must admit that Catholicism is Christian to the point where that is quite unthinkable.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: The attack was objective fact. But that really doesn’t help you, since it is only subjectivity that assigns any importance to it at all - other than as an indication releasing white doves in Rome is a bad idea. That wasn’t the first problem.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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quote: I wouldn’t go quite that far - although others would - but interpretation often does involve a degree of subjectivity. And your interpretation of the birds involves a good deal of subjectivity. And no, saying that doesn’t make the word meaningless. That’s just another absurdity that you made up.
quote: Unless there is an objective way of determining which interpretation is correct - or at the least a very strong case - the subjectivity is inescapable. And in this case we cannot even objectively say that it was a sign or that it had any connection to the Tribulation at all.
quote:On the contrary, I show that your claim of objectivity is meaningless. quote: Your interpretation of the birds is certainly squishy if it goes anywhere beyond the wars of the last few years - and you did by citing it as evidence that Pope Francis is the AntiChrist. And it is quite reasonable to conclude that your signs aren’t signs. Lightning strikes and bird attacks have happened before and will happen again without any clear meaning to be found. You offer mere superstition - much of it pagan. And if you want another example of subjectivity, choosing to read 19:06 as 6:66 pm is a subjective choice. It is not objectively correct - indeed it is an incorrect way of writing the time.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
I don’t believe that anyone has suggested that Trump be impeached for adultery. It is notable, however, that many Evangelicals suddenly changed their minds about the issue of character when Trump was candidate.
quote: The usual lying to deny Trump’s guilt. Really the things you - or your talk show hosts - make up.
quote: How’s he doing on eliminating the deficit? Or providing a better alternative to the ACA? Or - and this should be easy - releasing his tax returns?
quote: I’ve seen plenty examples of more extreme hate for Obama. I guess that must be really supernatural - even Satanic. No wonder you love it.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Let us just note that that realisation only turned up when it was convenient. Further, I think your real mistake was choosing adultery as the most important measure of character. There are worse issues with Trump.
quote: Not really. Remember that he had a Republican Congress for the first half of his term and Republicans still hold the Senate. His promises over the ACA are abandoned, he’s increased the deficit and seems to have no plans to even reduce it back to the level it was and he’s lied and is fighting hard in court to avoid releasing his tax returns.
quote: I’ll agree with that. Obama had it far worse.
quote: I’m not talking about the obstructionism. I’m talking about the conspiracy theories and the Citizen’s Grand Jury that was supposed to arrest him and the specious lawsuits intended to throw him out of office. Or even the ridiculous charge that he was a crypto-Muslim - which is serious when you consider the hatred of Islam in some parts of the Right.
quote: But that doesn’t measure the magnitude of feeling at all. A lot of criticism - much of it deserved is hardly equivalent to claims that he plotted to detonate a nuclear device in the US. Or vigilantes planning to kidnap him.
quote: No, there was a lot of personal hatred there. Though the hate for the ACA also reached levels of insanity rarely seen against Trump.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Buzsaw was hardly a reliable source. So I’m not surprised that you trust him.
Islam, of course, will oppose the Beast. Worshipping statues is contrary to a well-known teaching of Islam.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
So the story of your first possessed corpse has zero evidence of possession or being a corpse. The guy was probably just a Hindu faker (and no I don’t mean fakir).
The second is an anecdote that was over 30 years old when retold and second-hand at best. On top of Buzsaw’s unreliability. Not exactly good evidence.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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quote: And I don’t because I am honest and rational - as shown in my previous post.
quote: Maybe someday you’ll have a torture squad, but I’m hardly about to uncritically believe you without duress. That would be highly irrational.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
And your evidence that the Hindu fake is dead and demonically possessed is ?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Does your article say anything at all about the Hindu who allegedly survives without food and water ? No ? Then it doesn’t answer the question, does it?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Or the guy was being kept alive by supernatural means. Once you let the supernatural in you can’t arbitrarily limit it to the effects you want.
quote: You’d have to be very gullible to believe an anecdote retold more than 30 years later from a guy who is happy to rewrite the Bible to pretend that he’s right. Don’t forget either that Buz fell for Ron Wyatt’s nonsense. And again, even if you believe the Hindu story (when this is a known trick of fakes) it doesn’t say that he was dead at all. Don’t you think that the medics who supposedly confirmed his story would have noticed if he was ?
quote: Well I’m not going to actually see him dead, am I? Even if it happened (it won’t). So I’m pretty unlikely to be convinced that he was dead.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: But we have better reasons for thinking that you are delusional, even in this thread. You think that the following is good reason to think that the man is a demon-possessed corpse.
Just tonight on Fox News it was announced that an old Hindu man has lived for 66 years without food or water. According to the source, this has been verified by medical doctors and people come to him to pay respect and reverence. The observers have determined that his energy comes from some metaphysical or spiritual power. The man himself attributes it to a certain goddess who he has been devoted to and worships. Now the fact that this offers no real evidence that he was dead or possessed (and if he was dead the doctors really ought to have noticed) doesn’t seem to worry you. And yet you seem to think that your claim deserves to be believed (Message 300) Further, according to the link Tangle posted in Message 302 even the Daily Mail was sceptical of the story. The doctors periodically examine the man but never release their data. And we know that similar cases have been fraud. So, in all likelihood the man is just one of many Hindu fakes, and the evidence is certainly insufficient to say otherwise. If you believe otherwise you are delusional. There is no doubt. Edited by PaulK, : Fixed tag
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