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Tangle
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02-28-2020 4:20 AM


It seems to me that GDR's statement below requires its own thread

GDR writes:

… if we are the result of blind chance then it is my contention that there is no frame of reference for understanding morality.

It's been done before of course, but maybe we can confine this to why it's impossible for our sense of morality to emerge from the evolutionary processalone. (I'm interpreting GDR's derisive 'blind chance' phrase as a simile for the evolutionary process).

I don't think it necessary to show the development of social behaviour in other species or demonstrate self-sacrificing behaviour in humans, I think we all accept those thing.

The difficulty appears to lie in the assertion by believers that we can't know what right and wrong is without there being a god to tell us. The question is why not?

It seems to me that their only reasoning is because they believe it so.


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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 2 of 4 (872538)
02-28-2020 1:54 PM
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02-28-2020 4:20 AM


Framing The issue
Shall we confine this to a Science Forum or shall we put it in Faith & Belief so that believers can legally even respond?

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Tangle
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Message 3 of 4 (872551)
02-28-2020 4:03 PM
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02-28-2020 1:54 PM


Re: Framing The issue
Faith and belief is fine so long no-one starts blathering on about the bible and what they personally believe - it's a philosophical question that requires reasoning not dogma.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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02-28-2020 4:51 PM


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