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Phat
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Message 4 of 143 (872604)
02-29-2020 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by AnswersInGenitals
02-27-2020 1:39 PM


The Sociological Implications Of Corvid-19
So I moved it here anyway. We need a Corvid-19 Topic.
AiG writes:

I wonder how many clerics (and their parishioners) notice the irony when they close their churches or cancel services because of the coronavirus. Apparently they are convinced that their all-powerful god is powerless against complex molecules.

Only an idiot would assume that God automatically cures us of every sickness and disease which comes our way. This has been proven time and time again with everything contagious--which the evidence shows does not discriminate between believers and non-believers.

Some conspiracies which I have heard allude to the idea that these types of events are planned. There is so far no evidence to assume that to be the case, although selling off one's stocks and rebuying later after a natural correction has taken place seems pretty standard fare for those in the loop.

The only thing that concerns me about Corvid-19 thus far is the fact that it mainly targets people my age. As has been pointed out, so does Influenza and at far greater numbers of deaths...and that even with a vaccine!

And of course, some will attempt to link this virus with End Times judgment, though I wouldnt go that far. It is what it is.


“The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

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Phat
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Message 13 of 143 (872685)
03-02-2020 10:20 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by caffeine
03-02-2020 5:52 AM


Re: The Sociological Implications Of Corvid-19
Forgive my ignorance but where is the typo?

“The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

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Phat
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Message 18 of 143 (872699)
03-02-2020 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by jar
03-02-2020 10:59 AM


The Sociological Implications Of Covid-19
Apallin Spallin! I finally corrected that glitch!

Anywho, the stock market rebounded 800 points today, but many analysts see it as a "dead cat bounce" since there is as yet no vaccine available for the virus. My intuition tells me that the fears are overblown, as you pointed out that influenza itself (with a vaccine) still kills far more people, but with the apparent mismanagement from the current administration, this epidemic may claim many otherwise avoidable deaths before having run its course.

The markets were overdue for a correction anyway, and I would say that financially speaking, wait a couple of months and buy Apple Stock. That company isn't going anywhere and once we get hit with an electromagnetic pulse event, which is likely within the next 20 years, everyone will have to buy a new i-phone anyway.

Some of these headlines are strange! It seems that Headlines themselves have become Bumper Sticker Fodder.
Coronavirus Augurs a World of Pain for Stock Market Whiz Warren Buffett

And

Dow Roars Higher Because Trump Won’t Let This Market Crash.

I remember a few years ago when you taught me that the modern-day media is geared towards infotainment and selling news. This very site that i got these two headline quotes from seems to be in that very business. So let me see what the Washington Post and Time Magazine have in the way of today's headlines:

How is the coronavirus outbreak going to end? Here’s how similar epidemics played out.
A good article in the Washington Post! Some excerpts:

quote:
As stock markets plunge, travel is disrupted and new coronavirus infections are diagnosed across the United States, one question on everyone’s mind is how the outbreak is going to end.

No one knows for sure, but virologists say there are clues from other similar outbreaks in the recent past. Here are the three most relevant scenarios:

  • Health officials get control of the coronavirus through strict public health measures. (they say this would be the ideal outcome.)

  • Coronavirus hits less developed countries, and things get much worse before they get better. (They cite the Ebola Virus as an example, though saying that Covid-19 is spread easier. Apparently washing one's hands and guarding against respiratory contact make a big difference, as AZPaul3 pointed out.

  • The new coronavirus spreads so widely, it simply becomes a fact of life.

    This is in essence what happened with the 2009 H1N1 outbreak, also called swine flu. It spread quickly, eventually to an estimated 11 to 21 percent of the global population. The WHO declared it a pandemic, and there was widespread fear.

    H1N1 turned out to be much milder than initially feared, causing little more than runny noses and coughs in most people. And H1N1 is now so commonplace, it’s simply seen as a part of the seasonal flus that come and go every year among the global population.

    Early estimates on the fatality rate for H1N1 were much higher than the roughly 0.01 to 0.03 percent it turned out to be. Still, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that H1N1 killed 12,469 people in the United States during that first-year period from 2009 to 2010, infected 60.8 million cases and caused 274,304 hospitalizations. The true number is hard to ascertain because many who die of flu-related causes aren’t tested to see whether it was H1N1 or another flu strain. As context, the seasonal flu has killed at least 18,000 people in the United States so far this season, according to the CDC.

    One reason H1N1 is a particularly good parallel, epidemiologists say, is because while it had a lower fatality rate than SARS or MERS, it was deadlier because of how infectious and widespread it became.

    Not to be alarmist, but another possible parallel might be the 1918 Spanish flu, which had a 2.5 percent fatality rate, eerily close to what’s estimated for the coronavirus.

    CDC calls Spanish flu “the deadliest pandemic flu virus in human history," because it infected roughly one-third of the world’s population and killed an estimated 50 million people worldwide. Spanish flu, however, was deadly to young and old, while coronavirus has proven to be most lethal to the elderly and left young people relatively unscathed.


  • The politics behind all of this contrast a government that actually cooperates with the WHO and the CDC and the other global experts and is proactive at containment. If Trump and Company worry more about manipulating the media in order to save their precious stock market, it could result in more deaths in the long run. Perhaps there is an evil conspiracy and perhaps they want a bunch of us old people to die and get out of the way for their heirs to inherit the earth of the future. Just a random conspiracy thought.


    “The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

    - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
    Anne Lamott
    Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

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    Phat
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    Message 21 of 143 (872704)
    03-02-2020 4:58 PM
    Reply to: Message 19 by jar
    03-02-2020 4:13 PM


    Re: The Sociological Implications Of Covid-19
    You are older than 76?
    quote:
    Male: 76.1 years - Average life expectancy of a US male (at birth).

    Heck im only 60, but with my diabetes, sleep apnea, and complications, I will be fortunate to make the expectancy. It is a sobering thought, but I think what's also on my mind is having run the best race that I can run by the time I reach my own finish line.

    That's why you and ringo get to me, sometimes. I don't want to believe the evidence that you present, and I still think we might be in a sort of spiritual dynamic which will never be evidenced before the fact, but I don't dismiss you guys 100% either.

    I want to not only live as long as possible but to live long and prosper.

    I don't yet worry about Covid-19 though my intuition says that it will affect a lot of people before its all over.


    “The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

    - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
    Anne Lamott
    Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

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    Phat
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    Message 22 of 143 (872705)
    03-02-2020 5:00 PM
    Reply to: Message 20 by AZPaul3
    03-02-2020 4:47 PM


    Re: The Sociological Implications Of Covid-19
    But what the Millennial's dont factor in is the idea that we will have to burn up our inheritence attempting to outlive the virus and that they may end up with nothing anyway.

    “The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

    - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
    Anne Lamott
    Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

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    Phat
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    Message 24 of 143 (872755)
    03-03-2020 2:57 PM
    Reply to: Message 23 by dwise1
    03-03-2020 10:27 AM


    Re: The Sociological Implications Of Corvid-19
    dwise1 writes:

    Of course, there'a also the factor of these products becoming unavailable (if not already) because of the panic starting to set in. Reports from multiple CostCo stores are that they're swamped with customers buying up all the food and supplies they can. My niece in the Seattle area reports emptied shelves in Target and other stores; eg, " there were some odd things gone like all the Lunchables LOL".

    And everything or anything that could serve as a face mask has been sold out; a construction company owner/foreman tried to buy dust masks for his employees and every store was sold out. Early reports of how the economy and the stock market would be affected pointed out that just about the only stock that was up was 3M, who produce face masks and filters.

    At the Safeway, I work at we were swept clean of hand sanitizer and facemasks, even though those paper facemasks are reportedly ineffective.
    Let's watch this map change as we all learn about this potential health issue:

    (3/3/2020)


    US Cases so far:

    Travel-related 22
    Person-to-person spread 11
    Under Investigation 27
    Total cases 60

    Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


    “The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

    - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
    Anne Lamott
    Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

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    Phat
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    Message 27 of 143 (872760)
    03-03-2020 3:36 PM
    Reply to: Message 25 by AnswersInGenitals
    03-03-2020 3:11 PM


    Re: Desparately seeking a silver lining!
    All I know is I'm doubling up on my Vitamin D3. If I can't have a vaccine I at least want a strong immune system going in.

    “The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

    - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
    Anne Lamott
    Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

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    Phat
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    Message 28 of 143 (872761)
    03-03-2020 3:40 PM
    Reply to: Message 26 by Faith
    03-03-2020 3:22 PM


    Re: Stocking up
    Perhaps this would interest you.
    Coronavirus prevention: How to make hand sanitizer at home

    “The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

    - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
    Anne Lamott
    Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

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    Phat
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    Message 35 of 143 (873053)
    03-09-2020 10:40 AM
    Reply to: Message 34 by AZPaul3
    03-07-2020 4:57 AM


    Cashing Out On Sanitizers
    Today, the markets closed due to a massive selloff. On the bright side, had we bought stock in Clorox we would have had an 11% gain in the past couple of months.

    “The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

    - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
    Anne Lamott
    Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

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    Phat
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    Message 37 of 143 (873083)
    03-09-2020 3:38 PM
    Reply to: Message 36 by RAZD
    03-09-2020 2:48 PM


    US Update:

    quote:
    The number of people with the coronavirus in the U.S. more than doubled over the weekend, from 260 on Friday to more than 600 on Monday, causing school closures and other disruptions to daily life as the virus spread to new parts of the country.

    The virus is now being reported in 36 states, with Louisiana Gov. John Bel Edwards announcing his state's first case on Monday. At least two cases are also present in Washington, D.C.

    Financial markets have been rattled by the outbreak and a shakeup in the oil market, and trading on the New York Stock Exchange was halted for 15 minutes Monday morning when the S&P 500 index plummeted 7% just minutes after the open of business.

    Worldwide, there are more than 110,000 COVID-19 cases, including more than 7,000 in South Korea, Italy and Iran, according to a dashboard created by the Johns Hopkins Whiting School of Engineering. France, Germany and Spain are now reporting more than 1,000 cases each.(...)
    Of those who are exposed to the coronavirus, "there's a good chance many will become sick,"{...)
    A recent World Health Organization report on more than 70,000 cases in China found that 80% of all COVID-19 cases were mild to moderate, with people over 60 being the most likely to develop a serious case.

    "This virus is capable of spreading easily and sustainably from person to person," Messonnier said.



    “The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

    - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
    Anne Lamott
    Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

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    Phat
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    Message 87 of 143 (873315)
    03-13-2020 4:26 PM
    Reply to: Message 84 by Faith
    03-13-2020 1:09 PM


    Re: A political side to it
    Is Glenn Beck one of the people you listen to? He had some comments based on news from Italy.

    March 11th Report


    “The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

    - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
    Anne Lamott
    Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

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