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marc9000  Suspended Member Posts: 1536 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
People in Denmark and Sweden seem pretty happy. Where do you get your information from? Page not found | The Fund for American Studies
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marc9000  Suspended Member Posts: 1536 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
It’s pretty clear that you are only interested in objecting to the ban and not at all in the science. The heat is not the issue, it’s the particulates in the wood smoke. And particulates in wood smoke have what to do with climate change? Let me guess, absolutely nothing? That's just a useful little side claim to justify less freedom and more government?
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marc9000  Suspended Member Posts: 1536 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
The greenhouse effect isn't made up. It's been a part of science for 150 years. Svante Arrhenius did the first calculations for the impact of carbon dioxide on global temps clear back in the 1890's. This is driven by science, not political gain. But some people today demand political action against a neighbor or company that's "polluting", but they have to do more than cite science and calculations - they need to show evidence of pollution that is specifically provable as measured by the five human senses. If they can't, then there are political problems.
Wood burning bans in my area kick in based on air quality, especially during winter inversions. I think you are getting your wires crossed. What they are "based" on isn't set in stone and unchangeable, new political power can get them increased to invasive levels.
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marc9000  Suspended Member Posts: 1536 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
marc9000 writes: I have a problem with the ABRUPT extension into politics, which says that an increase in the size and scope of government can fix it. That's a flat out lie. You are trying to spread doubt about the existence of human caused climate change. Where did I use the word "existence"? It's actually a flat out lie that there's one scintilla of evidence that says government action can reverse climate change.
People in the deeply socialist countries of Denmark and Sweden are some of the freest people on the planet. There's your flat out lie. Sweden isn't socialist. Just a moment...
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marc9000  Suspended Member Posts: 1536 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Here's a partial list of products made from fossil fuels;
quote: Michael Bloomberg has 11 residences, and quite a fleet of private jets and helicopters - one of his helicopters burns 72 gallons of fuel per hour. Yet he points fingers at all us peasants and is planning to tell us what we're going to cut back on to combat climate change.
Phat writes: I am beginning to think that this whole global warming thing is even more serious than previously thought and will lead to competition and even conflict in the world. The only thing serious about it is the way it's been made into a political weapon against liberty. We're safe for now, Bloomberg and Sanders are nowhere near the presidency. But as more and more nave young people vote based on emotion rather than history and human nature, there could be more conflict than the political left is bargaining for, and it will be 100% their own fault.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2354 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.1
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But some people today demand political action against a neighbor or company that's "polluting", but they have to do more than cite science and calculations - they need to show evidence of pollution that is specifically provable as measured by the five human senses. If they can't, then there are political problems.
are you really so stupid as to think pollution isn't important until it is at levels detectable by human senses? You've shown yourself to be an ignorant pigfucker in the past but this takes the cake.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17993 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
quote: Yes, you were foolishly wrong to think they were related.
quote: It’s your claim, so the motives for making it would be yours.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: |
Cuz we all know the smell of radiation. What an idiot.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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glowby Member (Idle past 295 days) Posts: 75 From: Fox River Grove, IL Joined: |
But some people today demand political action against a neighbor or company that's "polluting" Yes, of course. People have always done that. If a neighbor won't stop crapping and pissing in his yard, or in yours, you're going to demand action from local authorities. If there are no ordinances against it, you should demand political action. Carbon emissions are crap we've been throwing into the atmosphere for generations, but only recently realized the consequences of doing it. It's the same as other garbage. We have to deal with it: Flush it, take it to the curb or dump, hire a collection service, and easiest of all - not make so much of it. Because we haven't disposed of CO2 properly, it's making problems for the entire planet; ourselves and our neighbors included. Yes, it infringes on our neighbor's liberty if we demand he use a toilet instead of our yards. I suppose it's kind of fun to relieve yourself outdoors and it saves a little on the water bill. But even if his yard is downwind, would you defend his "liberty" from "political action"?
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Taq Member Posts: 10348 Joined: Member Rating: 6.3 |
marc9000 writes: They don't have a financial interest in receiving those grants? You receive grants based on the quality of your science.
Yes, the direction it's taking and what is causing it are science and fact. But that's only a very small part of the discussion, the biggest part of the discussion is the uneven placing of the blame on only some humans, and what a few humans in government can do about it. That's flat out false. You are pushing propaganda that tries to argue it isn't happening at all.
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Taq Member Posts: 10348 Joined: Member Rating: 6.3 |
marc9000 writes: But some people today demand political action against a neighbor or company that's "polluting", but they have to do more than cite science and calculations - they need to show evidence of pollution that is specifically provable as measured by the five human senses. If they can't, then there are political problems. You and conservatives are trying to cast false doubt on the science and calculations. THAT'S THE PROBLEM!!!
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marc9000 writes: There's your flat out lie. Sweden isn't socialist. Great. Then let's take those Swedish policies and enact them in the US. Narry a conservative should have a problem with it since they aren't socialist policies, right? That would include such things as government funded universal health care. Not socialist, right?
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1702 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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marc9000  Suspended Member Posts: 1536 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
are you really so stupid as to think pollution isn't important until it is at levels detectable by human senses? I never said it wasn't "important", I'm saying that it can't be politically acted upon only on the word of a "faction"; Federalist Papers No. 10 (1787) - Bill of Rights Institute
quote: The scientific community's effects are constitutionally required to be controlled by a political process. The scientific community is very mischievous these days, considering it's largely controlled by atheism and one political party.
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marc9000  Suspended Member Posts: 1536 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
marc9000 writes: And particulates in wood smoke have what to do with climate change? Let me guess, absolutely nothing? Yes, you were foolishly wrong to think they were related. I just pointed out that they were not related, after you implied that they were. I do love this place, TDR (Trump Derangement Syndrome) is getting more contagious here than coronavirus in Washington state.
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