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Phat Member Posts: 16079 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
By extension, you could say that the only important thing within the goal(s) of a belief are the actions generated. I just wanted to emphasize the idea (which you taught me) that Morality is an action rather than a belief and that even in your club no God is required.
“The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. Anne Lamott Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide
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jar Member Posts: 33957 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 2.1 |
You are still conflating religion and reality Phat. In the various clubs a god is required. Seriously Phat. If it is a religion there is a God(s) or god(s) present. But in reality it is what actually happens, what is actually written, what is actually verifiable that is required.
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Phat Member Posts: 16079 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
So would you say that (many) Episcopalians have eliminated religion and attempt to embrace reality?
“The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. Anne Lamott Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide
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jar Member Posts: 33957 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 2.1 |
LOL Sheesh Phat. How does a religion eliminate religion? Think Phat. Try to think. Why do you always try to frame things as either a zero sum condition or an either/or choice. Do you think people are really so limited?
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5181 Joined: Member Rating: 2.8
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Adding to the adage that women have a crayon box with 32 colors and men one with only 8 colors, could we say that religionists only have a Sharpie and White-out?
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ringo Member Posts: 19745 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 2.9 |
Too busy snapping the cuffs on him. It's funny that you'd pick one of the most immoral acts in the Bible as an example. "I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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Phat Member Posts: 16079 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
The only reason your argument carries any weight is if the people of that time were judged through human-centrism. The fact is, they were Theo-centric. You cant snap cuffs on your own sociological conscience. Your problem is that you view these events from a human-centric perspective.
“The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. Anne Lamott Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide
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Taq Member Posts: 8524 Joined:
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Since theology was created by humans within a society, it circles back on itself. Morality makes no sense once it is taken out of the human context. If God ordered humanity to do something that went against our most basic moral sense then it is immoral for God to make that command. There is no way around it. If morality is simply based on what God commands then we are no different than dogs who take commands or computers. Following orders isn't morality. Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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jar Member Posts: 33957 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 2.1 |
And the Bible says we are charged in that case to question God as has been pointed out to Phat many, many times.
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Phat Member Posts: 16079 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
“The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. Anne Lamott Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide
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jar Member Posts: 33957 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 2.1 |
According to the Bible humans are as high an authority on morality as God. Remember Genesis 3 Phat?
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Phat Member Posts: 16079 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
You really need to stop exaggerating. "The Bible" can say otherwise. For every genesis 3 scripture that you show me, I can show you 5 scriptures that place God in a unique category above humans. You love your pet arguments, though.
Remember "my ways are higher than your ways? Remember "God is not a man that He should lie?" and no, I have not read the Bible thoroughly lately...but it appears that it is you doing the cherry-picking this time. “The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. Anne Lamott Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide
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jar Member Posts: 33957 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 2.1 |
Yes Phat, the Bible is filled with contradictions. It's filled with examples of God's morality and frankly in most cases God is not just immoral but rather amoral.
That is why no one should simply accept "God said it so it's right" and always test the content rather than accept the source.
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Phat Member Posts: 16079 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
But that's the character in the book. I'm talking about the real Deity.
You cant be a believer simply by testing content. You have to accept the source. “The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. Anne Lamott Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide
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jar Member Posts: 33957 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 2.1 |
You only have to accept that the source is who the source claims to be and until you provide some way to actually test to see if it really is GOD and not just God or god even that acceptance is simply a belief. Any content must always be tested and that includes content from God or god.
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