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Author Topic:   Biblical Support for the Pre-Tribulation Rapture
ringo
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Message 316 of 330 (872798)
03-04-2020 5:17 PM
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03-04-2020 4:48 PM


Re: Demon Possession of Dead people.
Phat writes:

Once the oppression is cast out,the person needs to "replace" that negative energy with the positive life giving Spirit of the lord.


That isn't what your Calvin Coolidge quote says though, is it? He doesn't seem to be talking about "casting evil out" and then filling the void with voodoo. He seems to be talking about displacing evil with good on an incremental basis - in which case it makes sense. Your version is just the usual gibberish.

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Message 317 of 330 (872800)
03-04-2020 5:29 PM
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03-04-2020 4:48 PM


Re: Demon Possession of Dead people.
Phat writes:

Once the oppression is cast out,the person needs to "replace" that negative energy with the positive life giving Spirit of the lord.

What does that even mean?

It's so easy to create word salad that so many have been trained to accept without actually asking "What the hell does that even mean?"

So "What the hell does that even mean?"


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Phat
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Message 318 of 330 (872801)
03-04-2020 6:03 PM
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03-04-2020 5:29 PM


Re: Demon Possession of Dead people.
It is also easy to label anything "word salad".
jar writes:

So "What the hell does that even mean?"

Perhaps we should study a bit of scripture in context.
Matt 12:39-46 writes:

39 But He answered and said to them, "An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. 41 The men of Nineveh will rise up in the judgment with this generation and condemn it, because they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and indeed a greater than Jonah is here.(who is "greater than Jonah"?) 42 The queen of the South will rise up in the judgment with this generation and condemn it, for she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and indeed a greater than Solomon is here. (Who is Jesus referring to? Who is wiser than Solomon?)

43 An Unclean Spirit Returns

(Luke 11:24-26)

"When an unclean spirit goes out of a man, he goes through dry places, seeking rest, and finds none. 44 Then he says, 'I will return to my house from which I came.' And when he comes, he finds it empty, swept, and put in order. (What does it mean for the "house" to be empty?} 45 Then he goes and takes with him seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter and dwell there; and the last state of that man is worse than the first. So shall it also be with this wicked generation."

NKJV


“The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

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Phat
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Message 319 of 330 (872802)
03-04-2020 6:06 PM
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03-04-2020 5:17 PM


Demon Oppression Of Living People.
Yeah, I know what jar is likely gonna attempt to teach. He will claim that it is our responsibility to *do* good and actively oppose our own inner evil and that no god is required. And this coming from an alleged believer!

Edited by Phat, : subtitle


“The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

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jar
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Message 320 of 330 (872804)
03-04-2020 6:57 PM
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03-04-2020 6:03 PM


Using Word Salad to explain Word Salad doesn't help.
Yet you provide no answer.

So yet again; what the hell does 'Once the oppression is cast out,the person needs to "replace" that negative energy with the positive life giving Spirit of the lord' even mean?

When you go to a source that even inserts editorial comments and rewrites what was actually written in the Bible you simply show that you have absolutely no idea what it means. That is particularly obvious when the sections you chose to take out of context appear to have absolutely nothing to do with the question asked.

Edited by jar, : fix sub-title

Edited by jar, : appalin spallin


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jar
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Message 321 of 330 (872805)
03-04-2020 7:14 PM
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03-04-2020 6:06 PM


Re: Demon Oppression Of Living People.
Phat writes:

He will claim that it is our responsibility to *do* good and actively oppose our own inner evil and that no god is required. And this coming from an alleged believer!

Not quite Phat; it's not me saying such stuff but God in Genesis 3. If you don't like the message don't carp at me, carp at the person that wrote Genesis 3.


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Message 322 of 330 (872816)
03-05-2020 10:04 AM
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03-04-2020 7:14 PM


Re: Demon Oppression Of Living People.
But as I might point out, the "message" of Genesis 3 is not the message of the Bible.

“The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

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ringo
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Message 323 of 330 (872817)
03-05-2020 10:40 AM
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03-04-2020 6:06 PM


Re: Demon Oppression Of Living People.
Phat writes:

And this coming from an alleged believer!


As I have asked you many times before, what does it mean to believe in somebody? Is it just mouthing empty words like "Lord! Lord!" or "Once the oppression is cast out,the person needs to replace that negative energy with the positive life giving Spirit of the lord." Or does it mean actually demonstrating your belief with actions?

I would say that the "alleged" believer is the one with the empty words.


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jar
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Message 324 of 330 (872818)
03-05-2020 10:41 AM
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03-05-2020 10:04 AM


Re: Demon Oppression Of Living People.
Phat writes:

But as I might point out, the "message" of Genesis 3 is not the message of the Bible.

Correct. There is no such thing as "the message of the Bible" just as there is no such thing as "The Bible™"

Yet the fact is that what the God in the story found in Genesis 2&3 says.


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Message 325 of 330 (872874)
03-06-2020 3:30 AM
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03-05-2020 10:41 AM


Re: Demon Oppression Of Living People.
That would be determined by the believers themselves, rather than a few critically thinking old codgers.

“The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

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jar
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Message 326 of 330 (872886)
03-06-2020 8:44 AM
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Re: Demon Oppression Of Living People.
Phat writes:

That would be determined by the believers themselves, rather than a few critically thinking old codgers.

No Phat, reality determines what is and isn't rather than beliefs.


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Message 327 of 330 (872887)
03-06-2020 8:45 AM
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03-06-2020 8:44 AM


Re: Demon Oppression Of Living People.
And beliefs can and occasionally are real. Good morning, by the way.

“The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

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Message 328 of 330 (872889)
03-06-2020 8:52 AM
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03-05-2020 10:40 AM


Re: Demon Oppression Of Living People.
ringo writes:

As I have asked you many times before, what does it mean to believe in somebody?

For starters, they have to be more than simply a character in a book. You could convince us that you believed in Long John Silver but at best you would be believing in the storytelling skills of the author. If I lived in Saskatchewan, you likely would be uninspired to believe in me unless we interacted in meaningful ways. Perhaps you needed a ride somewhere and I showed up time and time again (and on time! ) or perhaps you needed spare change occasionally. Or perhaps I did and you came through. Belief would be proven through actions. This does bring up a good question in my mind. It's one thing for me to believe in God. Its another for Him to believe in me. I'll have to think about this further...

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“The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

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ringo
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Message 329 of 330 (872894)
03-06-2020 10:54 AM
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03-06-2020 8:52 AM


Re: Demon Oppression Of Living People.
Phat writes:

For starters, they have to be more than simply a character in a book.


Why? Why can't you be inspired by a character in a book? Isn't it really the idea that inspires you, that you believe in, not some random character who happens to articulate the idea?

Phat writes:

You could convince us that you believed in Long John Silver but at best you would be believing in the storytelling skills of the author.


Frodo would be a better character to compare with Jesus. Many people do believe in Frodo. They don't believe he actually existed but they do believe that a little guy can do what seems impossible, that he can do the right thing just because it has to be done.

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Message 330 of 330 (872895)
03-06-2020 10:55 AM
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Re: Demon Oppression Of Living People.
Phat writes:

And beliefs can and occasionally are real.

No Phat, beliefs can never be real. That is why they are beliefs and not facts.


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