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RAZD
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Message 36 of 143 (873081)
03-09-2020 2:48 PM


In other news ...
AIPAC: Conference guests may have been exposed to COVID-19

quote:
March 5 (UPI) -- The American Israel Public Affairs Committee said attendees to its policy conference earlier this week, including U.S. lawmakers, may have come into contact with a person infected with COVID-19.

In a statement published Wednesday night on Twitter, AIPAC said a group from New York came into contact with a person confirmed to be infected with the coronavirus prior to attending the conference. The person infected did not, however, attend the Washington, D.C., conference, which ran from Sunday to Tuesday, the Israel lobbying group said.


and

Several lawmakers had contact with man at CPAC who got virus

quote:
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Capitol's attending physician said Monday that “several” members of Congress had contact with a person who attended a recent political conference and who subsequently developed COVID-19, the illness caused by the new coronavirus. They “remain in good health,” the physician's office said.

In a note to lawmakers, the attending physician's office said the ill individual had recalled “specific names of people he had contact with during the meeting.”

“Several of these individuals, Members of the Congress, were identified and were contacted on the evening of March 7” by the physician's office, the note said.

Their symptoms were reviewed, and the individuals were considered to be at “low risk” of contracting the disease, the statement said. It said all of the lawmakers the physician's office was monitoring “remain in good health.”

On Sunday, two members of Congress, Sen. Ted Cruz and Rep. Paul Gosar, said they are isolating themselves after determining they had contact with the person at the conference.


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Message 43 of 143 (873170)
03-10-2020 5:01 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Faith
03-10-2020 2:41 PM


Re: Inadequate containment of the virus
... He said the ship should be requisitioned by the government as in a state of emergency, which is something they did in WWII I think he said, and turned into a hospital ship. Medical personnel, adequately suited up to protect themselves, should enter the ship to take care of the sick, and hospital gear should be brought in, but nobody should be allowed to leave until there was no more sign of the disease on board. Food of course would also be delivered to the ship.

A cruise ship is not designed for hospital usage. The air ventilation/AC/heating ducts (HVAC) run from room to room rather than isolated ducts for each room. The walls are constructed with no standard for zero air leakage between them.

The argument that base personnel would be infected is spurious, as these are the same people that would be sent on board for any conversion work, for providing food and for providing the medics.

He's just another blowhard who thinks that he knows enough to pretend to be an authority. Trump shut down travel between China and US but left Japan, Korea, etc travel go ahead.

Let the CDC make the appropriate decisions on how to handle the virus and keep politicians and blowhards out of it.

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Message 57 of 143 (873200)
03-11-2020 10:51 AM
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Re: Inadequate containment of the virus
I was trying to picture this. They bring air INTO the room from a point of origin don't they? They don't take air OUT of the room and pass it on to the next room do they? But if there is a problem of the virus spreading this way, OK, but then that would only be floor by floor wouldn't it? In other words the hospital could occupy a floor and the vents wouldn't affect anything but what's on that floor, and locations could be chosen according to how bad the effect might be from the vents at any particular distance from the source. ...

When the fans are off the air can drift in and out. The systems are not set up for continuous fan use. Even with the fans on there will be pressure differences between rooms that can cause air to be sucked into the vents and distributed to other rooms.

When I was in ICU at Dana Farber (2007) for an autogenic stem cell transplant, I was in a room with positive air pressure from dedicated sterilized air supply and the entrance to the room was like an air-lock. Obviously it is not feasible to convert a commercial ship to this standard.

Savage says he had studied epidemioilogy ...

quote:
Epidemiology - Wikipedia

Epidemiology is the study and analysis of the distribution (who, when, and where), patterns and determinants of health and disease conditions in defined populations.

It is a cornerstone of public health, and shapes policy decisions and evidence-based practice by identifying risk factors for disease and targets for preventive healthcare. Epidemiologists help with study design, collection, and statistical analysis of data, amend interpretation and dissemination of results (including peer review and occasional systematic review). Epidemiology has helped develop methodology used in clinical research, public health studies, and, to a lesser extent, basic research in the biological sciences.[1]

Major areas of epidemiological study include disease causation, transmission, outbreak investigation, disease surveillance, environmental epidemiology, forensic epidemiology, occupational epidemiology, screening, biomonitoring, and comparisons of treatment effects such as in clinical trials. Epidemiologists rely on other scientific disciplines like biology to better understand disease processes, statistics to make efficient use of the data and draw appropriate conclusions, social sciences to better understand proximate and distal causes, and engineering for exposure assessment.

The distinction between "epidemic" and "endemic" was first drawn by Hippocrates,[3] to distinguish between diseases that are "visited upon" a population (epidemic) from those that "reside within" a population (endemic).[4] The term "epidemiology" appears to have first been used to describe the study of epidemics in 1802 by the Spanish physician Villalba in Epidemiología Española.[4] Epidemiologists also study the interaction of diseases in a population, a condition known as a syndemic.

The term epidemiology is now widely applied to cover the description and causation of not only epidemic disease, but of disease in general, and even many non-disease, health-related conditions, such as high blood pressure, depression and obesity. Therefore, this epidemiology is based upon how the pattern of the disease causes change in the function of everyone.

Epidemiologists employ a range of study designs from the observational to experimental and generally categorized as descriptive, analytic (aiming to further examine known associations or hypothesized relationships), and experimental (a term often equated with clinical or community trials of treatments and other interventions). In observational studies, nature is allowed to "take its course," as epidemiologists observe from the sidelines. Conversely, in experimental studies, the epidemiologist is the one in control of all of the factors entering a certain case study.[38] Epidemiological studies are aimed, where possible, at revealing unbiased relationships between exposures such as alcohol or smoking, biological agents, stress, or chemicals to mortality or morbidity. The identification of causal relationships between these exposures and outcomes is an important aspect of epidemiology. Modern epidemiologists use informatics as a tool.

Observational studies have two components, descriptive and analytical. Descriptive observations pertain to the "who, what, where and when of health-related state occurrence". However, analytical observations deal more with the ‘how’ of a health-related event.[38] Experimental epidemiology contains three case types: randomized controlled trials (often used for new medicine or drug testing), field trials (conducted on those at a high risk of contracting a disease), and community trials (research on social originating diseases).[38]

The term 'epidemiologic triad' is used to describe the intersection of Host, Agent, and Environment in analyzing an outbreak.


There, now we have "studied epidemiology" ... we looked it up on the internet.

Curiously (or not) I'll trust an experience epidemiologist with experience working with epidemic diseases over some internet/radio host person who claims authority because he "studied epidemioilogy" ... such as people working for the CDC and who are fine with moving the passengers and crew to military base care.

These are not politicians or people with a political bias, Faith. Trust them.

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