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Those of us who are independents are well aware that this is completely false.

Then you're wrong.

And so now we can be assured that you will present the evidence to support your assertion?

Some review of this topic seems to be needed here. As I recall it started with some media people, liberal media people, and maybe some others on the Left, that's not clear to me, objecting to Sanders' defense of Castro. They were saying he's wrong to defend a Communist regime that mudered so many people and so on.THAT is what got called "red baiting" in that video that RAZD posted. That's what brought up this concept of "red baiting."So apparently one can't object to the murderous tendencies of Communist regimes?I personally took it as probably more polit8ically motivated than actually expressing the views of the people expressing it, but I'd prefer to think they meant it and that we do have people on the Left who know how dangerous and evil Communism is. I really hope so.But their opinions are what got called "Red baiting" and that hits me as a propaganda tool in favor of Communism and everything on the extreme Left. THAT is why I was objecting to the definition at Wikipedia which puts down anyone who objects to anyihing on the Left. THAT is evil, because anything that defends Communism IS evil.But I do know that there are such tendencies on today's Left that aren't getting called out. This whole Political Correctness thing is a version of having to find an Oppressor to blame for whatever ills the ideology invents. Lately it's the white race who are the Oppressors. Marxism HASX to have a class war, this is what all this is about, and it is quite evident in a lot of discussions from the Left. They can't find any kind of problem they'd like to see addressed without identifying an evil class who supoposedly caused that problem. Like the rich, like Trump, like supposed "racists" and "xeophobes." This is all Marixt thinking. A person can't object to a Leftist policy without being called names in this way. THAT is derived from Marxism. Before Marxism had such invluence one could actually discuss issues and expect to be treated with respect. we can't any more because of this Marxist formula that has to call us evil, which is what you are doing here too. This is the real cause of the extreme polarization between the parties we are xseeing these days. The neverending vilification of Trump is all part of this mental set. There is no more civilized discussion possible. Even liberals who dare to say that Communism is evil are now being trashed.

First, let’s point out that Bernie Sanders is on the Left of the Democratic Party. You claim that even the Right of the Democratic Party are Communists, and you can hardly prove that by talking about Sanders.

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THAT is why I was objecting to the definition at Wikipedia which puts down anyone who objects to anyihing on the Left. THAT is evil, because anything that defends Communism IS evil.

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But Wikipedia doesn’t say any such thing. What it points out is that just putting a label on someone doesn’t really count for much. I guess that’s a problem for you if you haven’t got any substantive criticisms to make. But that really shows the value of the Wikipedia definition.

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But I do know that there are such tendencies on today's Left that aren't getting called out.

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Odd when there are a whole bunch of people devoted to bashing the Left - and often don’t even care if their bashing is true or false.

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This whole Political Correctness thing is a version of having to find an Oppressor to blame for whatever ills the ideology invents

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No, it’s about using more respectful terms for people. That’s why racial slurs are an example of political incorrectness.

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Marxism HASX to have a class war, this is what all this is about, and it is quite evident in a lot of discussions from the Left. They can't find any kind of problem they'd like to see addressed without identifying an evil class who supoposedly caused that problem.

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But Marxism is solidly focussed on class, not race or sexuality or any other classification.

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Like the rich, like Trump, like supposed "racists" and "xeophobes."

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So it is Marxist to blame the synagogue shootings on racists ? There are racists, there are xenophobic and they do cause problems.

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A person can't object to a Leftist policy without being called names in this way

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You know that isn’t true. But if you go around saying - for instance - that Mexican immigrants to the US are typically drug dealers, criminals or rapists then the xenophobe label pretty clearly applies.

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Before Marxism had such invluence one could actually discuss issues and expect to be treated with respect. we can't any more because of this Marxist formula that has to call us evil, which is what you are doing here too.

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But you are the one refusing to discuss things. Indeed you don’t even seem to understand the idea of discussion. Discussion is not useless because you aren’t automatically believed, as you so frequently claim.

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This is the real cause of the extreme polarization between the parties we are xseeing these days.

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The real cause is your vilification of everyone on the Left where you refuse to recognise any distinction between centrists and extremists. If you go around spreading hate and lies about people how do you expect them to react ? Would you suddenly want to join people who hated and lied about you?

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The neverending vilification of Trump is all part of this mental set.

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More accurately the extreme tribalism that causes you to defend the indefensible is a part of the mental set that causes the problem. The problem isn’t that people tel, the truth about Trump - the problem is that you vilify them for doing so. As you did, for instance, with Christianity Today in this thread.

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There is no more civilized discussion possible

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And that is because you are incapable of it.

Also, Sanders did not defend Castro's overall behavior but pointed out on example of good things that happened. Remember, Castro replaced a Dictator that had been every bit as violent and ruthless but was loved by the US. Kinda like Trumps love of Dictators.

Defending anything Castro did should show his tendency to defend Communism as such. So what if he sometimes accomplished something good. but the "literacy program" was really just a propaganda indoctrination program. And did he say something in favor of the health care system? If so I described one person's encounter with that system which showed something less than good health care, in fact nightmarilshly bad health care.

Utterly brain dead stupidity from you Faith. But that is stypical and a hallmark of the CCoI.Teaching literacy, improving health care, increasing life expectancy are good things and we might do well to learn from what others do.We have statistics from independent sources related to Health Care Faith, no fantasy stories and TESTIMONY.

The World Health Organization has changed their classification of the coronavirus outbreak: U.S. to Suspend Most Travel From Europe; N.B.A. Pauses After Player Gets Virus - The New York TimesIt is worth noting that this is the worst world catastrophe in most people's memory. Not since WWII has the world experienced such as this, not the Korean War, not the Cuban Missile Crisis, not the Berlin Airlift, not the Japan Tsunami, not ISIS, not anything.This must be measured against the 1918 influenza pandemic when an estimated half billion people around the globe were infected and somewhere between 20 and 50 million died, possibly 100 million (Spanish flu - Wikipedia). Taking these figures at face value (but remaining aware that data gathering techniques of the period were not like today), the mortality rate was somewhere between 4% and 20%.The infection rate of viruses like this is often around 30%. If that holds up then around a hundred million people in the US will become infected. At the currently estimated mortality rate of between 2% and 3%, between two and three million will die. The elderly appear to be the most vulnerable, and it is most fortunate that children seem least affected.With only around a thousand people infected nationality it is difficult at this stage to comprehend the scale of what is to come. Public events are already being pared back. Both Biden and Sanders cancelled rallies (Trump has declared his rallies safe). College basketball games have already played to empty arenas, and Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's head of infectious diseases, has recommended that the NBA begin playing to empty arenas. He would likely say the same about hockey, and about baseball as it begins spring training with the regular season only two weeks off.It is probably best to refrain from speculating about other effects, so I'll conclude by encouraging everyone to be safe out there. Avoid crowds, wash your hands frequently, and try not to touch your face.--Percy

There is a significant difference this time. Ebola only was a direct threat to THEM. Same for Mad Cow Disease, SARS, Swine Flu; it was a threat to THEM. This is a threat to OUR pocketbook.

No.Red-Baiting is calling someone a communist who isn't a communist, it's an ad hominum attack.Enjoy

Well, all those who were objecting to Sanders' posi6tive remarks about Cuba didn't even call him a Communist, they merely, rightly, objected to his positive remarks about a murderous Communist regime. So your accusing them of red baiting was extremely unfair.However, although they were NOT calling someone a Communist who is not a Communist, Sanders IS a Communist and calling him a Communist would ALSO not be red baiting.

If the positive remarks were true, there's no justification for objecting to them.

Actually even if they were true they were right to object to them because the implication of such a positive statement is that it seems to justify or at least gloss over what was the murderous Communism of Cuba. But as a matter of fact as I pointed out earlier, they weren't treue anyway.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Good things are good things even if they're done by bad people.And you don't seem to mind glossing over the murderous gangsterism that Castro replaced.