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Message 65 of 143 (873223)
03-11-2020 3:47 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by ringo
03-11-2020 3:36 PM


Re: Inadequate containment of the virus
What YOU think misses the point. What HE had in mind was only CONFINING THE DISEASE TO PREVENT ITS SPREAD. THAT'S WHAT A QUARANTINE IS, THAT'S WHAT IS NORMALLY DONE WITH INFECTIOOUS DISEASES. You are all changing the subject and making him responsible for YOUR thoughts. Good grief. His motivations were the best, to keep the disease from spreading. If there are better solutions, fine, tell him and he'll follow them as he did when the CDC thought it best to move the people to military bases. Sheesh. This constant vilifying of Trump when he's actually doing good things, is SICK SICK SICK, it's INSANE.

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Message 67 of 143 (873227)
03-11-2020 4:00 PM
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03-11-2020 3:57 PM


Re: Inadequate containment of the virus
What he had in mind is what any normal person would have in mind who said what he said. It takes a twisted hatred for Trump to impute anything else to what he said.

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Message 69 of 143 (873233)
03-11-2020 4:37 PM
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03-11-2020 4:16 PM


Re: Inadequate containment of the virus
Please stay with the subject. I'm talking about what he actually said and how any normal person who said that would have meant that he wanted to prevent the spread of the virus. As I already said, if you want to bring up better solutions then fine, BUT THEY ARE A DIFFERENT SUBJECT. Making Trump responsible for YOUR thoughts is unfair.

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Message 75 of 143 (873254)
03-12-2020 8:23 AM
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03-12-2020 4:45 AM


Re: Inadequate containment of the virus
yes he likes the numbers where they are and doesn't want to see them doubled. If we make the mistake we'll have to take the consequences but we should be able to prevent doubling the cases that were someone else's fault.

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Message 76 of 143 (873255)
03-12-2020 8:24 AM
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03-11-2020 7:05 PM


Re: Inadequate containment of the virus
I have no idea what the Air Force One situation is and you aren't clarifying it. I'm sure whatever decision was made was a good decision.

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Message 78 of 143 (873282)
03-12-2020 5:23 PM
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03-12-2020 8:43 AM


Re: Inadequate containment of the virus
And what was done about it?

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Message 79 of 143 (873283)
03-12-2020 5:29 PM


A political side to it
Keep hearing about the Swine Flu epidemic that hit from 2009-10. I don't remember any hubbub about it at the time, but 60 million Americans got it, 500 million worldwide, I think it was 17 thousand Americans died of it. There was a vaccine but with numbers like that what good did it do?

Anyway we've got this big hubbub about Covid-19 now. Gosh, could it be because it's an opportunity to bash Trump even though he's doing a great job of dealing with it? of course it is. Not that I mind everybody taking extreme care to keep the numbers down. Good idea it seems to me.

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Message 84 of 143 (873311)
03-13-2020 1:09 PM
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03-13-2020 5:56 AM


Re: A political side to it
If the hubbub over the swine flu was so huge it's funny I don't remember it. A thousand people had died before Obama did anything about it, and 18,000 by the time it was over. 60 million were infected. Some hubbub might have been in order under those circumstances. But here we've got, what, 40 deaths, FORTY, and the whole nation is shut down. Less than two thousand infected? And the whole nation is shut down? I'm not a follower of sports but I understand that it is a huge big deal to shut down all the baseball games at this time of year. COME ON.

I just heard about a biologist at MIT who tweeted that this will go down as the biggest political scam to bring down the nation. Indian name, Shiva A.....doori or something. I'll see if I can find him.

Don't get me wrong. I'm glad to see protections being put in place, especially since I'm in the most vulnerable age group, but there is such a thing as overkill, and I'm holed up in my apartment anyway.


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Message 91 of 143 (873323)
03-14-2020 9:18 AM
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03-13-2020 6:57 PM


Re: A political side to it
I don't recall that he said everyone will be tested. It's supposed to be according to doctor's decision I thought.

What he's doing is encouraging the private sector to develop testing methods since those in place have been inadequate.

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Message 92 of 143 (873324)
03-14-2020 9:34 AM


I said NOTHING about taking NO MEASURES. Where did I say such a thing? All I said was that the level of hysteria seems to be excessive, not that we shouldn't take measures. The point was that Obama didn't declare a national emergency until after a thousand Americans had died, and then the number climbed to 18,000 and nobody criticized Obama!. But Trump is getting the usual bashing although he acted already back in January to shut off travel from China. Biden even criticized him for doing THAT. The hysteria continues because of the Trump bashing mentality, that's the point, since there isn't any other point, entry shut down, forty deaths and less than 2000 cases but the snark doesn't stop. The Left doesn't care a bit about Americans, just bashing Trump.

And how of course he's gone much further. In the last few days he shut down travel from Europe and yesterday he declared a national emergency, putting in place a long list of very useful sounding measures. He's been on top of it from the beginning but the Left will give him no credit for ANYTHING.l Doesn't matter what he says, some fault will be found with it although it's perfectly good statement. We see this on this thread. But of coruse we've seen it over the last three years in the fake news headlines and the Mueller fraud and the Impeachment fraud. ALL about perfectly reasonable or innocent remarks by Trump turned into some kind of fault or criminal act. There really should be laws against this crap.

It may be that his latest actions are excessive, wait and see. It can't hurt though, if they're excessive we'll find out soon enough and be able to decrease as the number of cases decreases. Meanwhile, people on my side are strongly in favor of the measures he's taken as setting a precedent for future epidemics. I'm sure the Left will find nothing good to say of course, but the Right appreciates the speed of response he's made possibly through the private sector with the reduction of regulations and red tape.

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Message 98 of 143 (873354)
03-15-2020 4:42 AM
Reply to: Message 96 by caffeine
03-14-2020 5:50 PM


Re: A political side to it
A thousand people had died before Obama did anything about it, and 18,000 by the time it was over. 60 million were infected. Some hubbub might have been in order under those circumstances.

Put like that, we should be in a state of constant panic. Most estimates suggest there were not any more deaths due to flu in 2009 than in a typical year.

Well, I should probably tone down the hubbub bit, since all I really meant was that we needed more organized ways of addressing the problem. But yes you are right about the flu, and that's true now as well. In a way we could ask why make such a fuss about a new virus when the flu kills more of us every year anway.

But I suppose we could argue that we really don't know enough about this Covid virus yet and the more measures taken to protect us the better. I'm likely to have a selfish resonse I suppose since I'm so near the age group that dies from it. ( HOWEVER, somebody pointed out that far more in this age group die of the flu than any of these novel viruses anyway.)

I agree that much of the reaction to this virus is over-the-top.

Thanks, I often find your comments reasonable and fair, by the way.


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Message 99 of 143 (873355)
03-15-2020 4:46 AM
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03-15-2020 2:02 AM


Re: A political side to it
You write such offensive stuff I have little motivation to read any of it. I am curious, however, about what's in your links. BUT I'm not going to go there, they ARE bare links, so would you please quote the essential point in each one?

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Message 107 of 143 (873387)
03-15-2020 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 106 by Chiroptera
03-15-2020 10:03 AM


Re: Chinese journalists try to resist censorship
What is the evidence for any health officials being muzzled?

I agree that Trump goes way too far trying to make it sound like everything's just hunky dory but the health officials don't seem to be muzzled. We hear from then too.

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Faith 
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Message 109 of 143 (873394)
03-15-2020 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by AZPaul3
03-15-2020 12:25 PM


Re: The Man is Fucking Evil!
Gosh, I can hardly wait to find out the other side of this story.

Y'know, whatever we contribute to any important worldwide problem we share with the world, it isn't just for us.

But again, I wonder what the other side of the story is.

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Message 111 of 143 (873408)
03-15-2020 2:35 PM
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03-15-2020 2:13 PM


Re: Chinese journalists try to resist censorship
So you use a tendentious word like "muzzling" for what obviously has two points of view and a reasonable explanation for the decision, so you can make your own point of view sound like the more reasonable one. I wonder what fallacy applies to that kind of manipulation.

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