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Faith 
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Message 5326 of 5796 (873234)
03-11-2020 4:40 PM
Reply to: Message 5325 by ringo
03-11-2020 4:12 PM


Re: Red baiting
I don'[t know anything about what Castro replaced so I'm not glossing over everything. I'm talking about Cuba. Why can't people jus stick to the topic.

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ringo
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Message 5327 of 5796 (873235)
03-11-2020 4:45 PM
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03-11-2020 4:40 PM


Re: Red baiting
FRaith writes:
I don't know anything about what Castro replaced so I'm not glossing over everything.
That's glossing over it right there. How do you know Castro wasn't an improvement?
Edited by ringo, : Fixed quote.

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RAZD
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Message 5328 of 5796 (873236)
03-11-2020 4:46 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Faith
09-07-2018 3:58 PM


Re: Twitter Bans Alex Jones
So Jones was booted off for posting a video of himself berating someone, a CNN reporter:
He's got almost a million followers, and Infowars half a million. Isn't that the real reason they want to ban him? He's got views they don't like and too many other people do like them.
It's not a matter of dislike Faith. It's a matter of recognizing a con artist. All this shows is that
(a) American education is woefully inadequate at preparing people for reasoning, and
(b) All these "followers" should turn in their membership cards to the human (Homo sapiens race.
Human - Wikipedia
Enjoy
Edited by RAZD, : .

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Message 5329 of 5796 (873239)
03-11-2020 4:59 PM
Reply to: Message 5326 by Faith
03-11-2020 4:40 PM


Re: Red baiting
I don't know anything about what Castro replaced so I'm not glossing over everything. I'm talking about Cuba. Why can't people jus stick to the topic.
We have been talking about Cuba. And if you don't know what Castro replaced, then try something truly novel and (dare I say it?) revolutionary: LEARN SOMETHING!
Fulgencio Batista, 9th and 12th President of Cuba who ran an extremely corrupt and brutal military dictatorship in Cuba backed by the US government:
quote:
Fulgencio Batista y Zaldvar (/b’tist’/; Spanish: [fulxensjo atista i saldia]; born Rubn Zaldvar; January 16, 1901 — August 6, 1973) was a Cuban military officer and politician who served as the elected President of Cuba from 1940 to 1944, and as its U.S.-backed military dictator from 1952 to 1959, before being overthrown during the Cuban Revolution. Batista initially rose to power as part of the 1933 Revolt of the Sergeants, which overthrew the provisional government of Carlos Manuel de Cspedes y Quesada. He then appointed himself chief of the armed forces, with the rank of colonel, and effectively controlled the five-member "pentarchy" that functioned as the collective head of state. He maintained this control through a string of puppet presidents until 1940, when he was himself elected President of Cuba on a populist platform. He then instated the 1940 Constitution of Cuba and served until 1944. After finishing his term he lived in Florida, returning to Cuba to run for president in 1952. Facing certain electoral defeat, he led a military coup against President Carlos Pro Socarrs that preempted the election.
Back in power, and receiving financial, military, and logistical support from the United States government, Batista suspended the 1940 Constitution and revoked most political liberties, including the right to strike. He then aligned with the wealthiest landowners who owned the largest sugar plantations, and presided over a stagnating economy that widened the gap between rich and poor Cubans. Eventually it reached the point where most of the sugar industry was in U.S. hands, and foreigners owned 70% of the arable land. As such, Batista's repressive government then began to systematically profit from the exploitation of Cuba's commercial interests, by negotiating lucrative relationships with both the American Mafia, who controlled the drug, gambling, and prostitution businesses in Havana, and with large U.S.-based multinational companies who were awarded lucrative contracts. To quell the growing discontent amongst the populacewhich was subsequently displayed through frequent student riots and demonstrationsBatista established tighter censorship of the media, while also utilizing his Bureau for the Repression of Communist Activities secret police to carry out wide-scale violence, torture and public executions. These murders mounted in 1957, as Fidel Castro gained more publicity and influence. Many people were killed, with estimates ranging from hundreds to about 20,000 people killed.
Catalyzing the resistance to such tactics, for two years (December 1956 — December 1958) Fidel Castro's 26th of July Movement and other nationalist rebelling elements led an urban and rural-based guerrilla uprising against Batista's government, which culminated in his eventual defeat by rebels under the command of Che Guevara at the Battle of Santa Clara on New Year's Day 1959. Batista immediately fled the island with an amassed personal fortune to the Dominican Republic, where strongman and previous military ally Rafael Trujillo held power. Batista eventually found political asylum in Oliveira Salazar's Portugal, where he first lived on the island of Madeira and then in Estoril, outside Lisbon. He was involved in business activities in Spain and was staying there in Guadalmina near Marbella at the time of his death from a heart attack on August 6, 1973.
The movie, Godfather II, depicted Mafia activity in Havana, Cuba. That movie also depicted events surrounding Batista's fleeing Cuba in the middle of the night between 31 Dec 1958 and 01 Jan 1959. Batista fled the country because he had lost US government backing:
quote:
On December 11, 1958, U.S. Ambassador Earl Smith visited Batista at his hacienda, Kuquine. There, Smith informed him that the United States could no longer support his government. Batista asked if he could go to his house in Daytona Beach. The ambassador denied the request and suggested that he seek asylum in Spain instead.
On December 31, 1958, at a New Year's Eve party, Batista told his cabinet and top officials that he was leaving the country. After seven years, Batista knew his presidency was over, and he fled the island in the early morning. At 3:00 a.m. on January 1, 1959, Batista boarded a plane at Camp Columbia with 40 of his supporters and immediate family members and flew to Ciudad Trujillo in the Dominican Republic. A second plane flew out of Havana later in the night, carrying ministers, officers and the Governor of Havana. Batista took along a personal fortune of more than $300 million that he had amassed through graft and payoffs. Critics accused Batista and his supporters of taking as much as $700 million in fine art and cash with them as they fled into exile.
As news of the fall of Batista's government spread through Havana, The New York Times described jubilant crowds pouring into the streets and automobile horns honking. The black and red flag of July 26 Movement waved on cars and buildings. The atmosphere was chaotic. On January 8, 1959, Castro and his army rolled victoriously into Havana. Already denied entry to the United States, Batista sought asylum in Mexico, which also refused him. Portugal's leader Antnio Salazar allowed him to settle there on the condition that he completely abstain from politics.
By the end of Batista's rule possibly as many as 20,000 Cubans had been killed.
Edited by dwise1, : Added "US-backed" and to the Godfather II reference.

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Message 5330 of 5796 (873240)
03-11-2020 5:08 PM
Reply to: Message 5322 by Faith
03-11-2020 3:53 PM


Re: Red baiting
However, although they were NOT calling someone a Communist who is not a Communist, Sanders IS a Communist and calling him a Communist would ALSO not be red baiting.
Sanders is a democratic socialist, NOT a communist:
Democratic government (by the people)
Capitalist economy with socialist programs (for the people)
The US is a democratic socialist nation. The largest expenditure of the federal budget is defense, funded entirely by taxes and for the benefit of everyone.
We also have public funding of K to 12th grade. Sanders proposal to increase that to include community college, state college and trade schools is just increasing an already existing socialist system to more adequately deal with the needs of people today.
Medicare for All is also just expanding an existing system to cover more people more adequately, and it is not radical as all other developed countries have it. The government the US set up in Iraq has it. The government that the US heavily supports in Israel has it.
These programs are for the people, funded by the government and put in place democratically. That is not communism by any stretch of a fevered brain.
Well, all those who were objecting to Sanders' posi6tive remarks about Cuba didn't even call him a Communist, they merely, rightly, objected to his positive remarks about a murderous Communist regime. So your accusing them of red baiting was extremely unfair.
Oh, that very much WAS red-baiting, because Sanders did not say anything positive about the Cuban government itself. All he said was that the education system and the health system were better than they were before.
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Faith 
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Message 5331 of 5796 (873256)
03-12-2020 8:28 AM
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03-11-2020 5:08 PM


Re: Red baiting
There is no such thing as a democratic socialist and Sanders is known to be a Communist.

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Faith 
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Message 5332 of 5796 (873258)
03-12-2020 8:49 AM
Reply to: Message 5329 by dwise1
03-11-2020 4:59 PM


Re: Red baiting
What's the point? Two lousy governments,AND?

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JonF
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Message 5333 of 5796 (873268)
03-12-2020 10:38 AM
Reply to: Message 5331 by Faith
03-12-2020 8:28 AM


Re: Red baiting
Sanders is a Democratic Socialist, no matter how hard you try to redefine words.
quote:
Democratic socialism is a political philosophy supporting political democracy within a socially owned economy, with a particular emphasis on workers' self-management and democratic control of economic institutions within a market socialist economy or some form of a decentralised planned socialist economy.
Remember all the times you said "there's no law against..." only to be shown the laws) against... ? Same thing here.

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dwise1
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Message 5334 of 5796 (873272)
03-12-2020 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 5332 by Faith
03-12-2020 8:49 AM


Re: Red baiting
What's the point? Two lousy governments,AND?
The point is that you knew nothing about the Batista government (which was US-backed and I'm sure Trump would be absolutely in love with). So I did you a favor and provided you with that information so that you could LEARN SOMETHING.
Of course, you learned nothing. I would be extremely surprised if you had even read any of that valuable information. You guard your abysmal ignorance so closely, as if your very soul depended on learning nothing. While normals see literacy as something good, you must see it as something evil since it will enable learning which could lead to (gasp!) thinking. And you must fight against that happening!
Facts, Faith, facts. Facts are good for you; ignorance and disinformation are bad.
Think of facts as dietary fibre for the mind. It keeps the mind healthy and moving. When you restrict yourself to a diet of fact-free right-wingnut swill, then your head fills up with crap that just sits there leaving you in a constant state of mental constipation and cramps that keep you in your perpetual bad mood.
Add facts to your diet to start moving that crap out of your head.

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Message 5335 of 5796 (873273)
03-12-2020 1:35 PM
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03-12-2020 8:28 AM


Re: Red baiting
Faith writes:
There is no such thing as a democratic socialist and Sanders is known to be a Communist.
--Percy

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Faith 
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Message 5336 of 5796 (873278)
03-12-2020 5:08 PM
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03-12-2020 12:32 PM


Re: Red baiting
Information for information's sake? The discussion is about Communism.

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Faith 
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Message 5337 of 5796 (873279)
03-12-2020 5:09 PM
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03-12-2020 1:35 PM


Re: Red baiting
Jewish people know that Bernie Sanders is a Communist. they grew up with guys like him. Michael Savage and Mark Levin are two who did. One of them calls him "the Bolshevik," the other the "Old Red" I think or something like that. He can get away with denying it with ignorami who aren't Jewish.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 5338 of 5796 (873285)
03-12-2020 5:31 PM
Reply to: Message 5337 by Faith
03-12-2020 5:09 PM


Re: Red baiting
Ah, as long as it's wingnuts red-baiting it doesn't count.
What actual evidence do you have that Bernie's a communist?
Didn't think so.

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Faith 
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Message 5339 of 5796 (873286)
03-12-2020 5:33 PM
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03-12-2020 5:31 PM


Re: Red baiting
I guess the fact that he had his honeymoon in Moscow isn't a clue?

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Faith 
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Message 5340 of 5796 (873287)
03-12-2020 5:45 PM
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03-12-2020 5:31 PM


Re: Red baiting
Nave people who don't know about these things won't recognize this I suppose but it is a huge red flag to me if someone says "Socialism has never really been tried."
Bernie: Real Socialism Has Never Been Tried | National Review
That's exactly what Communists always say. they refuse to accept that Communism, Marxism, socialism too, always tend toward the tyrannical totalitarianism of the USSR and Communist Chine etc. They insist those were errors in implementing Marxism. They are pie in the ski utopians. They are Communists. The only way they'll ever be convinced is to establish Communism in America, watch it become a version of the USSR and then it will be too late.

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