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Author Topic:   Moral issues and the Justice system or something like that
Tangle
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Message 6 of 171 (873209)
03-11-2020 1:24 PM


Generally, waffling on about what a nice guy a murderer is in other aspects of his life is a defence tactic likely to confuse few people, but that's its intent.
The defence can point to previous good character which may influence if there is any doubt as to guilt, but in such serious cases I can't see it having much effect.
Often character and background is used when mitigating for sentencing. You'll have heard the ludicrous, but he makes good films' mitigation for Weinstein - which obviously didn't work.
As for Christian, well there are two opposing messages from Christianity as far as justice goes, the first is retribution which is very old testament, the other is forgiveness which is very Jesus. The criminal justice system is pointed almost entirely towards retribution. We've got a long way to go there.

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Tangle
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Message 8 of 171 (873242)
03-11-2020 5:19 PM
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Faith writes:
The state MUST exact vengeance, that's its job you could say. People so completely misunderstand all this it's hard to talk about it, but the death penalty is RIGHT for murderers and it is in fact a violation of God's law to spare their lives.
I'm not touching your corrupted view of Jesus's message, it's disgraceful. But what the state must or must not do is secular so we can leave your primitive views out of it.
The deal we have with the state is that we hand over the personal right to put right wrongs against us - in your disgracefully unChristian words, vengeance - in return for the state honouring the deal.
I personally, being a real Christian, albeit an atheistic one, detest the idea of retribution - ie revenge. I can live with the need for deterrence and the need to protect the public but revenge? No. It has no place in a moral world.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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