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Author Topic:   Moral issues and the Justice system or something like that
vimesey
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Message 10 of 171 (873246)
03-12-2020 2:45 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by RAZD
03-12-2020 12:28 AM


Re: Nathanial Woods - state sanctioned murder.
Everyone who condones the death penalty is an accessory to this murder.
Indeed. And in that vein, here’s an interesting thought experiment for Faith to consider:
It is pretty much inevitable that with the death penalty, innocent people will be executed from time to time. We have an irrefutable and heavy line of evidence from numerous examples of miscarriages of justice. It will happen.
So a society which wants the death penalty should have a referendum every 5 years or so as to whether they want the death penalty. But in this referendum, your choice is recorded with your identity.
If the referendum chooses the death penalty, (in the sure and certain knowledge that at some point an innocent person will be wrongfully put to death), then a murder will have been committed by that society - or more pertinently, by the people in that society who voted for the death penalty, knowing that this would happen.
So at that point, we have a lottery from amongst those people who voted for the death penalty, and we put one of them to death, as a punishment for that murder having been committed by society.
It’s fair that this should be the case.
I wonder how many people would vote yes, knowing that this could be the consequence for them.

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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vimesey
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Message 14 of 171 (873260)
03-12-2020 9:16 AM
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03-12-2020 7:53 AM


Re: Nathanial Woods - state sanctioned murder.
the death penalty is justice, not murder.
It’s murder, not justice, when it’s carried out against an innocent person. That was very much the point of my post.

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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vimesey
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Message 17 of 171 (873264)
03-12-2020 9:33 AM
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03-12-2020 9:24 AM


Re: Nathanial Woods - state sanctioned murder.
The conviction of the innocent person is the mistake.
The decision to kill convicted people (instead of locking them up for life) knowing that mistakes will happen when it comes to convicting people, is a deliberate choice which you know will, from time to time, kill innocent people. Because mistakes are inevitable. The death sentence is therefore murder when it is carried out on an innocent person.

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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vimesey
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Message 157 of 171 (874502)
04-03-2020 11:37 PM
Reply to: Message 156 by Faith
04-03-2020 4:50 PM


Re: Judging God or Biblical Misunderstanding?
So what you’re saying is, that when it comes to your religion, it’s your interpretation of your holy book which counts - but that when it comes to other folks’ religions, it’s your interpretation which counts ?

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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