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Percy
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Message 5431 of 5796 (873470)
03-15-2020 9:18 PM
Reply to: Message 5387 by Faith
03-15-2020 12:21 PM


Re: Some validation of McCarthy
Faith writes:
Well what I found isn't what I thought I remembered,...
The reason it feels like you didn't find what you thought you remembered is because you didn't actually find the thing you were thinking of. Again, you were thinking of Blacklisted by History - Wikipedia.
--Percy

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PaulK
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Message 5432 of 5796 (873477)
03-16-2020 1:44 AM
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03-15-2020 9:13 PM


Re: Red baiting
quote:
You did not use the term "leftist" accurately because Snopes isn't leftist, and you *are* using at as a smear and as an excuse for ignoring information.
I’m pretty sure she think the latter IS the correct usage.

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Minnemooseus
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Message 5433 of 5796 (873478)
03-16-2020 1:56 AM
Reply to: Message 5425 by Percy
03-15-2020 7:47 PM


Non-reverse pyschology in action?
Interesting factoid: on Meet the Press today they revealed polling showing that the seriousness with which people are treating the virus threat differs widely between Democrats and Republicans, even among older people, the most vulnerable group. Republicans are much more likely to play down the seriousness. This means they're much more likely to continue normal activity, including going out to restaurants and then visiting poor grandma.
This seems to be a devious use of non-reverse psychology by Democrats, in an attempt to enhance the dying off of Republicans. Or would it be reverse reverse psychology?
OSLT.
Moose

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Message 5434 of 5796 (873480)
03-16-2020 4:48 AM
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03-16-2020 1:56 AM


Re: Non-reverse pyschology in action?
Well, it seems evolution will take care of republicans.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.

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Percy
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Message 5435 of 5796 (873481)
03-16-2020 7:15 AM
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03-16-2020 1:56 AM


Re: Non-reverse pyschology in action?
Minnemooseus writes:
This seems to be a devious use of non-reverse psychology by Democrats, in an attempt to enhance the dying off of Republicans. Or would it be reverse reverse psychology?
I accept at face value that the polls are telling us that how seriously someone takes the coronavirus threat depends upon their political affiliation. Those who trust Trump's information or that of many of his zombies in Congress do not take the threat anywhere near as seriously as those who don't and who instead get their information from a reliable source of health information such as Dr. Fauci or the CDC or many of the state governors.
Some examples:
The CDCCancel or postpone events of 50-plus people for the next eight weeks.
Many statesBars and restaurants are closed except for take out or have been requested to reduce occupancy. Those over 65 have been advised to self-quarantine.
Devin Nunes (R-CA)"It's a great time to go out and go to a local restaurant, likely you can get in easy. Let's not hurt the working people in this country ... go to your local pub."
President Trump (R-DC)"It's a very contagious virus, it's incredible, but it's something we have tremendous control of."
--Percy

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Message 5436 of 5796 (873482)
03-16-2020 8:12 AM
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03-15-2020 9:18 PM


Re: Some validation of McCarthy
Looks like an interesting book but that isn't what I thought I remembered either. The one I found comes closer because I think it was about a Russian source.

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Message 5437 of 5796 (873483)
03-16-2020 8:14 AM


Seems to me Trump's press conference treated the virus very seriously. Nobody really knows what to expect, though, we're all hunkered down and waiting for all the cases to manifest that have infected people without symptoms so far.

  
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Message 5438 of 5796 (873484)
03-16-2020 8:18 AM


A History of Trump Assurances That All is Well
This history of Trump's pronouncements of how we're not in any serious danger from the coronavirus is taken from Opinion | A Complete List of Trump’s Attempts to Play Down Coronavirus - The New York Times:
Jan. 22False information: In response to the question, "Are there worries about a pandemic at this point? Trump's response: "No. Not at all. And we have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s going to be just fine."
Jan. 24False information: "It will all work out well." (tweet)
Jan. 28False information: "Johnson & Johnson to create coronavirus vaccine." (false)
Jan. 30False information: "We have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment five. And those people are all recuperating successfully."
Jan. 31False information: "Well, we pretty much shut it down coming in from China. We have a tremendous relationship with China, which is a very positive thing. Getting along with China, getting along with Russia, getting along with these countries."
Feb. 10False information: "Looks like by April, you know, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away."
Feb. 19False information: "I think the numbers are going to get progressively better as we go along."
Feb. 23False infomration: "[The situation is] very much under control...We had 12, at one point. And now they’ve gotten very much better. Many of them are fully recovered."
Feb. 25Blaming others: "Cryin’ Chuck Schumer is complaining, for publicity purposes only, that I should be asking for more money than $2.5 Billion to prepare for Coronavirus. If I asked for more he would say it is too much. He didn’t like my early travel closings. I was right. He is incompetent!" (tweet)
Feb. 26False information: "We’re going down, not up. We’re going very substantially down, not up."
Feb. 26False information: "It’s going to disappear. One day it’s like a miracle it will disappear."
Feb. 28Blaming others and false information: "The Democrat policy of open borders is a direct threat to the health and well-being of all Americans. Now you see it with the coronavirus, you see it. You see it with the coronavirus."
Feb. 28Blaming others and false information: "And now we have tremendous flexibility. Many, many more sites. Many, many more people. And you couldn’t have had that under the Obama rule, and we ended that rule very quickly."
Feb. 29False information: "I think this process [vaccine approval] will go very quickly..this process is going to go very quickly.
Mar. 2False information: "We’re talking about a much smaller range of deaths than from the flu."
Mar. 4False information: "It’s very mild."
Mar. 6False information: "Anybody that wants a test can get a test."
Mar. 6Braggadocio: "I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it. Every one of these doctors said, How do you know so much about this? Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for President."
Mar. 7False assurances: "I’m not concerned at all."
Mar. 10False assurances: "It will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away."
--Percy
Edited by Percy, : Typo.

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Message 5439 of 5796 (873487)
03-16-2020 9:47 AM
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03-16-2020 8:18 AM


Re: A History of Trump Assurances That All is Well
March 6:
Too late, dammit. You already ran!

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Percy
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Message 5440 of 5796 (873488)
03-16-2020 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 5400 by Faith
03-15-2020 2:56 PM


Re: Trump Refuses Responsibility for Extant Policies
Faith writes:
A perfectly reasonable response from Trump of course, if they aren't needed get rid of them.
Like firemen who sit around much of the time, we do need an emergency preparedness team for health emergencies, as our present circumstances are vividly demonstrating. Trump was blowing hot air.
And as he said they can get them back if they want.
This is just Trump blowing more hot air. When you eliminate firemen jobs they go off and find other jobs. It is the same with the people on the emergency preparedness team. Also, the analogy with firemen breaks down in the nature of the work. The emergency preparedness team provides their benefit from the preparations they make before emergencies. Once the emergency has already happened it is too late to get much benefit from a newly regathered emergency preparedness team. All they can do at that point is say stuff like, "Well, what you should have been doing a few months ago was such-and-so."
And again, he refused responsibility for policies that were in place before he took office, that he considers to be inadequate. Nothing wrong with that response either, except in the weird cloudy minds of leftists.
Now *you're* blowing hot air. No one has any idea what these policies are, and Trump is likely making it up. When are you going to stop letting this guy pull the wool over your eyes? How many times is enough for you? I'm guessing infinity.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 5441 of 5796 (873490)
03-16-2020 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 5411 by Faith
03-15-2020 3:12 PM


Re: Trump Refuses Responsibility for Extant Policies
Faith writes:
I don't know either what policies were in place to deal with pandemics before he took office...
And you'll never know what these policies were, because Trump was making it up. If you truly believe he wasn't making it up then just try to find out what these policies were and report back to us. Blaming Obama for things is Trump's main go to refuge from criticism.
Trump puts most of his energy into managing the news cycle to his advantage instead of leading the country through the crisis. He's reacting, not leading. He figures out what to do by watching Fox News and talking to his cronies instead of listening to experts.
Here's some of what Ben Rhodes, former Deputy NSA advisor, said in a recent interview about the emergency preparedness team (https://thehill.com/...-trump-obama-left-him-a-global-health):
quote:
I think, importantly, what Obama did leave Trump is a global health infrastructure that we had set up informed by the lessons of the Ebola outbreak
...
And what we did is set up, in the White House, ... an office that was responsible for managing pandemics, managing global health threats that was shut down two years ago by President Trump.
...
And when you don’t have an office like that, you don’t have dedicated people inside the White House who are ensuring that information is acted upon. When you see an outbreak in a place like Wuhan, China, you want people in the White House who are thinking about what needs to be done right away so that you don’t get behind the curve, which is what happened in this White House.
--Percy

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Message 5442 of 5796 (873491)
03-16-2020 11:05 AM
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03-16-2020 11:03 AM


Re: Trump Refuses Responsibility for Extant Policies
And since you and the Left in general put all YOUR energy into bashing the man it's no wonder if so much of what he says is on the defensive. But he HAS been blamed for a lot of stuff Obama did. Not that I expect anyone here to acknowledge that.
I'm just amazed he's able to function so well with all the artillery that batters him every minute of every day.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Percy
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Message 5443 of 5796 (873494)
03-16-2020 11:12 AM
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03-15-2020 3:26 PM


Re: Trump Refuses Responsibility for Extant Policies
Faith writes:
Good grief. Knowing about it now doesn't mean he knew about it at the moment of the decision. Maybe he forgot, who knoews, who cares.
I think he's doing a good job at leadership myself.
I can only echo DrJones* comments. He doesn't know or maybe forgot? What criteria are you applying to assess leadership?
--Percy

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Message 5444 of 5796 (873495)
03-16-2020 11:24 AM
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03-16-2020 11:12 AM


Re: Trump Refuses Responsibility for Extant Policies
Well, but of COURSE you "can only " bash Trump, there is nothing else possible for you.
So he delegated responsibility to others and forgot about it, SO WHAT?

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Percy
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Message 5445 of 5796 (873496)
03-16-2020 11:29 AM
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03-16-2020 11:05 AM


Re: Trump Refuses Responsibility for Extant Policies
Faith writes:
And since you and the Left in general put all YOUR energy into bashing the man it's no wonder if so much of what he says is on the defensive.
If Trump is being bashed then it's by the facts, not by the left. When someone lies or misleads then the true facts should be brought to people's attention, and that's all that's happening. Perhaps you have some alternative facts from your fantasy world that refute what I said?
But he HAS been blamed for a lot of stuff Obama did. Not that I expect anyone here to acknowledge that.
So blaming Obama is your go to deflection strategy, too. Let us know when you're prepared to deal in facts.
I'm just amazed he's able to function so well with all the artillery that batters him every minute of every day.
I'm just amazed at both you and him for your ability to cram so many errors into such short periods of time.
--Percy

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