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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Sorry, human beings have been regarded as property until very recently. that includes wives, children and slaves. And they still are in other parts of the world.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Innocence or guilt is irrelevant because the fetus was considered to be property. Property is neither innocent nor guilty.
Please learn to tell the difference between the innocent and the guilty. Faith writes:
You "understanding" is often contradictory to what the Bible actually says. And the son in the example is generally understood to be a grown son, not a child. And you haven't backed up your claim that, "The OT doesn't regard killing the fetus as murder but it does regard it as a child.""I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Yes indeed. That idea came from the Bible - and was rejected by our increasingly-secular society. Sorry, human beings have been regarded as property until very recently."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No it did not come from the Bible, the Bible merely reflects the practices of the times, the entire world is fallen in reality, though we onlyh get to know about it thanks to the Bible, and being fallen ALL cultures everywhere always have treated women children and slaves as property. Women in unChristianized cultures are still suffering from the curse of the Fall, and slavery has been practiced worldwide throughout history.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
And those practices were all justified with quotes from the Bible. And you're still doing it. No it did not come from the Bible, the Bible merely reflects the practices of the times..."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Justifying it? Learn to read!
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Yes. You have justified slavery yourself, using the Bible, right on this very forum. Justifying it?"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
As I said learn to read.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
I did read. And everybody else can read too, so they know what the Bible says and they know what you said. You have used the Bible to justify slavery, as I said. As I said learn to read."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No you are misreading the Bible and misreading me. As usual. The Bible does its teaching within the normal human cultural context, it does not justify any of that in so doing, in fact if you do know how to read, which you've shown many times that you don't but in case you ever learn how, you may notice that God's law provides for measures that reduce the effects of the fallen culture by humanizing the slavery practices and so on. Of course you don't know how to read so this will fall on deaf ears in your case but perhaps someone else will have ears to hear. If not, oh well.
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Aussie Member Posts: 275 From: FL USA Joined:
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Aaaannd... here we go again.
Gosh, everybody's so eager to keep murderers alive, wow. But killing babies is just fine. Weird Isn't it weird that you are constantly defending killing people, Faith? The atheists are defending life while you are just Death's cheerleader on this forum. You personally have defended the killing of the unborn and children to me on this very forum on multiple occasions. I'm thinking specifically about the Flood and Jericho. I would truly love to hear you defending life on occasion."...heck is a small price to pay for the truth"
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Taq Member Posts: 10077 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Faith writes: Jesus was teaching us a lesson about hypocrisy in the incident of the woman caught in adultery. He challenged the Jews who were ready to stone her that only the one without sin should cast the first stone. This has nothing to do with governments. It makes me laugh when you think you can overrule Jesus.
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
The OT doesn't regard killing the fetus as murder but it does regard it as a child. Which we know from other scriptures about God's knowing us in the womb and so on. And yes it was property, that doesn't make it less human. Oh, you mean like killing the first born male child of an Egyptian human and Egyptian animal? You mean like that? "Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member
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You personally have defended the killing of the unborn and children to me on this very forum on multiple occasions. I'm thinking specifically about the Flood and Jericho. I would truly love to hear you defending life on occasion. She can't because its indefensible.
quote: God doesn't need abortions, He is perfectly "happy" to seize infants and smash their skulls against rocks. "Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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frako Member (Idle past 333 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined:
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Yea but those Egyptian kids where punks that dint want to believe in god. So murdering them all is ok.
What about Job, the guy was believing and worshipping god. And god went to the DEVIL to brag about him. They had a bet the devil killed his children and was permitted to do so by god. But that's alright cause in the end Job got a new children to replace the old ones. So according to the bibles morals its all squared away. Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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