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PaulK
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Message 55 of 143 (873197)
03-11-2020 9:59 AM


The National Review isn’t impressed
President Trump Needs to Step Up on the Coronavirus

At the same time, however, it is important that the president’s defenders not be blinded by partisanship of their own into excusing failures of leadership and diminishing the danger of the epidemic itself. This can be particularly difficult because some of the most significant inadequacies of the administration have been the president’s own. So far in this crisis, Donald Trump himself has obviously failed to rise to the challenge of leadership, and it does no one any favors to pretend otherwise.

So, it’s not just “leftists”.

Trump so far hasn’t passed muster on any of these metrics. He resisted making the response to the epidemic a priority for as long as he could — refusing briefings, downplaying the problem, and wasting precious time. He has failed to properly empower his subordinates and refused to trust the information they provided him — often offering up unsubstantiated claims and figures from cable television instead. He has spoken about the crisis in crude political and personal terms. He has stood in the way of public understanding of the plausible course of the epidemic, trafficking instead in dismissive clichés. He has denied his administration’s missteps, making it more difficult to address them

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Message 59 of 143 (873206)
03-11-2020 12:01 PM
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03-11-2020 10:27 AM


Re: The National Review isn’t impressed
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O blithering partisan nonsense. Yes partisan. These must be "never Trumpers."

And as usual you write off all criticism with accusations of bias.


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Message 60 of 143 (873210)
03-11-2020 1:28 PM


So much for transparency
White House told federal health agency to classify coronavirus deliberations

“We had some very critical people who did not have security clearances who could not go,” one official said. “These should not be classified meetings. It was unnecessary.”

The sources said the National Security Council (NSC), which advises the president on security issues, ordered the classification.”This came directly from the White House,” one official said.

A fifth source familiar with the meetings said HHS staffers often weren’t informed about coronavirus developments because they didn’t have adequate clearance. He said he was told that the matters were classified “because it had to do with China.”

More conspiracy theories about coronavirus as a bioweapon?


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Message 73 of 143 (873248)
03-12-2020 4:45 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by Faith
03-11-2020 4:37 PM


Re: Inadequate containment of the virus
quote:
Please stay with the subject. I'm talking about what he actually said...

No, you aren’t.

quote:
... and how any normal person who said that would have meant that he wanted to prevent the spread of the virus

That is definitely not true. As is perfectly obvious if we look at what he said:

"I like the numbers being where they are. I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault,"

(Business Insider)

So obviously he is concerned about the numbers, and who gets the blame for them. So, his main concern is adding the ship’s passengers to the US totals. Because it isn’t his administration’s fault that the infection got on the ship.


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Message 102 of 143 (873375)
03-15-2020 7:04 AM
Reply to: Message 98 by Faith
03-15-2020 4:42 AM


Re: A political side to it
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In a way we could ask why make such a fuss about a new virus when the flu kills more of us every year anway.

Because Covid-19 is likely to kill more of us. It seems to be considerably more lethal than ordinary flu and vaccines won’t be available until next year.


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Message 105 of 143 (873381)
03-15-2020 9:23 AM
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03-15-2020 9:04 AM


Re: A political side to it
It doesn’t have to be that accurate. Flu has a mortality rate around 0.1%. Even 0.5% for Covid-19 would be significantly higher, and it looks like somewhere around 1% is the best estimate right now.

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Message 110 of 143 (873407)
03-15-2020 2:13 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by Faith
03-15-2020 11:29 AM


Re: Chinese journalists try to resist censorship
Classifying meetings means that the discussions can’t be repeated.

Message 60


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Message 113 of 143 (873412)
03-15-2020 2:44 PM
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03-15-2020 2:35 PM


Re: Chinese journalists try to resist censorship
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So you use a tendentious word like "muzzling" for what obviously has two points of view and a reasonable explanation for the decision, so you can make your own point of view sound like the more reasonable one.

I have yet to see a reasonable explanation for the decision. If you have one please present it.

Also, the word “muzzling” wasn’t my choice - and it does not appear in my post. So why you are trying to blame me for it, I don’t know.

quote:
I wonder what fallacy applies to that kind of manipulation.

Unless you actually have a reasonable explanation it seems that the attempted manipulation is on your part.


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Message 116 of 143 (873417)
03-15-2020 2:59 PM
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03-15-2020 2:49 PM


Re: Chinese journalists try to resist censorship
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The reason given for classifying the meeting was that China was to be discussed.

So you claim that all discussions that involve China in any way must be classified ? It hardly seems an adequate reason.


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PaulK
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Message 118 of 143 (873443)
03-15-2020 3:40 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by Faith
03-15-2020 3:32 PM


Re: Chinese journalists try to resist censorship
quote:
Oh well, another weird twisting I have to undo. Sigh.

And the usual false accusations continue. A perfectly reasonable question is not “twisting”

quote:
That is the reason THEY gave, I didn't give a reason.

You were asked if there was a reasonable explanation. That is the one you chose to cite. Without any comment. If you did not think it was reasonable then you should have said so.

quote:
But since you ask I would speculate that China is a very vexed subject in connection with this virus. Hm?

I hardly think that a risk of offending China is important enough to keep critical staff out of a meeting. Do you ?


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PaulK
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Message 126 of 143 (873529)
03-16-2020 3:17 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by Faith
03-16-2020 11:10 AM


Re: Chinese journalists try to resist censorship
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My problem is that there is such a constant barrage of fake news and false accusations against Trump it's hard for me to take anything seriously that anyone has to say about ways he may be mismanaging ANYTHING. I'm beyond caring

You can’t take the criticisms seriously because they’re probably true. I can believe that.


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PaulK
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Message 130 of 143 (873551)
03-17-2020 3:42 AM
Reply to: Message 127 by Faith
03-16-2020 9:11 PM


Re: Chinese journalists try to resist censorship
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Sure you can believe that, as does the entire Left. But the level of criticism far exceeds anything any other President, or even any human being at all, has ever had to deal with.

I doubt that. And it doesn’t change the fact that the criticism is very frequently true and that you falsely try to dismiss it as “fake news” (which is a sick joke coming from a fan of InfoWars)

And I remind you that there are far worse attacks being directed at the Left for far less reason. Such as the claim that Bernie Sanders would instigate a new Holocaust - when Sanders is a Jew who lost relatives in the actual Holocaust.

quote:
This is Leftist craziness, this is not deserved by Trump. It's impossible for anyone to deserve such treatment.

Since “Leftists” are treated worse - with no sign of complaint from you - and when the attacks are genuinely crazy I cannot believe your claim. Especially as Trump does deserve a good deal of the criticism and politicians must expect some underserved criticism, too.

quote:
Especially a President who is doing his best to serve America and Americans.

That would be more fairly said about Obama. It didn’t stop your attacks.


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