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Author Topic:   Moral issues and the Justice system or something like that
Aussie
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Message 56 of 171 (873524)
03-16-2020 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Faith
03-12-2020 5:12 PM


Faith: Death's little cheerleader...
Aaaannd... here we go again.
Gosh, everybody's so eager to keep murderers alive, wow. But killing babies is just fine. Weird
Isn't it weird that you are constantly defending killing people, Faith? The atheists are defending life while you are just Death's cheerleader on this forum. You personally have defended the killing of the unborn and children to me on this very forum on multiple occasions. I'm thinking specifically about the Flood and Jericho. I would truly love to hear you defending life on occasion.

"...heck is a small price to pay for the truth"

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Aussie
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Message 63 of 171 (873555)
03-17-2020 8:43 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by Faith
03-16-2020 8:55 PM


Re: Faith: Death's little cheerleader...
Faith writes:
I'm "constantly defending killing people?" Wow.
Yes, Faith. Yes you are. Including throughout this very topic and including in the very next words you wrote:
God kills as justice/judgment, which unfortunately includes children and the unborn.
So you relegate the slaughter of the unborn and innocent children to being "unfortunate"?
Is God somehow unable to manage to kill the adults without also killing the kids? He's somehow unable to be happy killing only the actual bad guys, he has to take out their wives and the children, and their extended families and...well... let's just kill everything and everyone. Even their family pets. I mean, this is a level of violence to make the Medellin Cartel or Game of Thrones blush and cover it's eyes in shame.
Did God kill the uncounted unborn on purpose or not? Was that a good thing or not? You are consistently Death's Cheerleader when it comes to your bloodthirsty tyrant.
I'm "constantly defending killing people?" Wow.
Cue you immediately defending killing children:
God kills as justice/judgment, which unfortunately includes children and the unborn.
Edited by Aussie, : No reason given.

"...heck is a small price to pay for the truth"

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Aussie
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Message 65 of 171 (873557)
03-17-2020 9:05 AM
Reply to: Message 64 by jar
03-17-2020 8:50 AM


Re: Faith: Death's little cheerleader...
But remember there is no example of God killing the UnDead!
No, but now cue Faith's defense of torturing the Undead after He kills them all.

"...heck is a small price to pay for the truth"

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Aussie
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Message 69 of 171 (873565)
03-17-2020 10:01 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by Faith
03-17-2020 9:42 AM


Re: Faith: Death's little cheerleader...
Hi Faith
The alacrity with which so many here speak evil against God makes me shudder.
The alacrity with which you defend the killing of the unborn and small children makes me shudder, so we are even on that count.
I know that whether I understand it or not, and of course I don't, His judgments are good.
Of course you don't understand it. It's bloody barbarism in its most vicious incarnation. The killing of babies is a monstrous evil to take the breath away. We atheists will repudiate the deliberate killing of children and babies to the end of time, and we repudiate every brain that contemplates this killing and calls it "good." Like you do.
Jesus also said we should not fear the one who can only kill our bodies, who is Satan, but we should fear the one who can also kill our souls, and that's God.
Ahhh yes...you defending the torture of the Undead as Jar joked about and I cued 15 minutes ago...
I keep thinking lately that the most effective way to deal with this pandemic would be if great numbers of us saw ourselves as sinners and repented before God and asked Him to give us a solution to this problem.
It's widely recognized that the solution doesn't require magic. Just stay away from large groups and everybody wash their hands and try to sanitize surfaces. The virus doesn't need magic to die. You are in the particularly vulnerable demographic Faith... please be careful and stay safe!
The Israelites who wanted a golden calf to worship instead of the one true God Moses was talking to on Mount Sinai were just confused about God's nature, but today people aren't just confused, and it isn't even that so many merely don't believe, there is an active self-righteous hatred of God, the gall to judge Him instead of letting Him judge us, which is His prerogative.
Just a gentle reminder that God's response to the golden calf incident was the slaughter of 3, 000 people!!!! It's a death cult with you guys, enough to make the Incan Emperors blush in the night.
Justice should not be confused with genocide...

"...heck is a small price to pay for the truth"

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Aussie
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Message 74 of 171 (873572)
03-17-2020 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by Faith
03-17-2020 11:01 AM


Re: Faith: Death's little cheerleader...
And of course if God wiped out so many of His own people for their false worship, I worry that He's not going to tolerate much more of this evilspeaking against Him so many do these days. Even this pandemic is God's judgment you know, nothing happens without Him. His Moral Law continues to operate. "The windmills of the Lord grind very fine."
Thanks, I'll pass on your ISIS morality, Faith. I shudder remembering I used to think just like you before my deliverance.
Again, please stay safe. I assume you will use modern science in addition to magic to remain healthy. The last comment was tongue-in-cheek, but my desire for you to remain healthy and strong is not.

"...heck is a small price to pay for the truth"

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Aussie
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Message 78 of 171 (873577)
03-17-2020 11:20 AM
Reply to: Message 75 by Faith
03-17-2020 11:16 AM


Re: Kill the Adults and Leave the Children?
No it's not "collateral damage" that the children die too, it's part of the judgment of God. Either it is right for reasons we can't understand since children aren't innocent of the Fall either, or maybe it's just that killing the adults and leaving the children alive would be even worse for them than killing them.
Faith! You do realize you are again defending the killing of children?
Are you able to turn that off?
leaving the children alive would be even worse for them than killing them.
*shudder*

"...heck is a small price to pay for the truth"

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Aussie
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Message 82 of 171 (873581)
03-17-2020 11:26 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by Faith
03-17-2020 11:17 AM


Re: Faith: Death's little cheerleader...
There is no comparison with ISIS. Killing by humans for the evil reasons given by terrorists is murder. You can't compare God with human sin.
Yes I can, it's easy. I'll compare ISIS in Syria and Israel in Canaan any day. Both were religious genocides. In your defense though, only one of these barbarisms is historical. But your brain can't help but Cheerlead your favorite genocide.

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Aussie
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Message 84 of 171 (873583)
03-17-2020 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 80 by Faith
03-17-2020 11:22 AM


Re: Kill the Adults and Leave the Children?
Be careful Aussie. I'm defending God and you are blaspheming Him.
Be careful or what, Faith? What will happen?
Let me guess...more death and torture????
See what I mean? For you, it's all about death and torture. It's all you have.
You are Death's Cheerleader.

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Aussie
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Message 85 of 171 (873585)
03-17-2020 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 75 by Faith
03-17-2020 11:16 AM


Re: Kill the Adults and Leave the Children?
No it's not "collateral damage" that the children die too, it's part of the judgment of God.
So, the killing of children is not "unfortunate" like you said earlier.
You are maintaining that God deliberately seeks out children who are too young to comprehend politics or religious nuance, and kills them. And you are agreeing that this is a good idea, and represents perfect justice.
And you are telling me to be careful?

"...heck is a small price to pay for the truth"

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Aussie
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Message 88 of 171 (873589)
03-17-2020 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by Faith
03-17-2020 11:53 AM


Re: Kill the Adults and Leave the Children?
He knows why children are included in his judgments, I don't and yes I consider it unfortunate, I consider it sad that any of us have to die. Your accusations of me as if I don't care are out of bounds. I cry all the time about sad stories of people being hurt and dying, none of this is about me, I simply accept that God is God and that He is right in all His judgments, which I cannot understand myself.
My working assumption Faith, is that you are not a psychopath. but you are in the thrall of an imaginary Bloodthirsty Tyrant with a thirst for blood that is staggering.
Even His "Forgiveness" required the suffering and torment and agonizing death of an innocent. I'm never surprised when I hear He's gotten around to killing more innocent kids for the unfathomed crimes of other people. It's all par for the course for your chosen deity.

"...heck is a small price to pay for the truth"

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Aussie
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Message 93 of 171 (873601)
03-17-2020 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by Faith
03-17-2020 12:39 PM


Re: Faith: Death's little cheerleader...
OK, Abraham does seem to suggest that God's judgment of Sodom and Gomorrah could be wrong by saying He should do right. But it's just a way of speaking for the sake of explaining something about how God works to the puny little minds of the human race. You take too much of the Bible too literally.
Yes. Even the literal Word of God must take a backseat to Faith's personal interpretation.
"I know this is what the Bible actually says, but this is it what it should say."
Funny how often you demonstrate you don't actually believe in the Perfect Word.
In your preening arrogance you feel you can state God's word better than He could.
You take too much of the Bible too literally.
Seriously Faith? Seriously?

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Aussie
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Message 102 of 171 (873650)
03-18-2020 9:06 AM
Reply to: Message 89 by Faith
03-17-2020 12:20 PM


Re: Kill the Adults and Leave the Children?
all about the Moral Law, Aussie. We were all born into this universe that is governed by this law. We can't make it go away, it constantly judges us to a very fine degree. We are all in violation of this law and that is why we suffer and die.
Who made this Law in your opinion? Who wrote all these rules and punishments to be meted out in this barbaric fashion? You make it sound like God is simply reacting to the best of His abilities within the limits of these rules, as opposed to being the One who Created the "Moral Law" and is responsible for personally holding all to its standard. Including babies and small children, whom according to you and Scripture, He actively seeks out and kills because someone else broke His rules. An example would be David and Bathsheba's baby, that Scripture explicitly states God killed for his parent's sin. I wish you would stop talking so shrilly about pro-life issues.
AbE 2: Jesus said He did not come to abolish the Law but to fulfill it. Fulfilling it means taking its consequences. He didn't deserve those consequences, He took them for us.
Again, Scripture makes it abundantly clear that God doesn't care so much about punishing the guilty as He cares about torturing and killing the most innocent ones when He gets pissed off about something.
Edited by Aussie, : Grammar

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Aussie
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Message 103 of 171 (873651)
03-18-2020 9:14 AM
Reply to: Message 99 by Faith
03-17-2020 6:40 PM


Re: Kill the Adults and Leave the Children?
So glad you don't think I'm a psychopath. But since this conversation got derailed by something not so pertinent, I want to repeat this:
I'M HUMAN, I CAN'T LIKE SUFFERING AND DEATH.
So what you keep accusing me of is false.
Faith. I'm not accusing you of enjoying suffering and death. I am certainly accusing your favorite deity of such a thing. He openly relishes it without shame.
I am accusing you of of defending the killing of men, women, children, babies, the unborn simply because they hold a different religion than you.
You say you don't like it, and I am rather inclined to take your word for this. But you openly support it at every hand, also publicly and without shame. You have one of the most broken moral compasses I have ever seen. You cheerlead for death.
Edited by Aussie, : No reason given.

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Aussie
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Message 106 of 171 (873657)
03-18-2020 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by Faith
03-18-2020 12:04 PM


Re: Kill the Adults and Leave the Children?
God kills as justice/judgment, which unfortunately includes children and the unborn.
God wiped out so many of His own people for their false worship
that the children die too, it's part of the judgment of God.
leaving the children alive would be even worse for them than killing them.
I simply accept that God is God and that He is right in all His judgments, which I cannot understand myself.
In my mind it seems simple and crystal clear. God is sending His judgement to us. God's judgement includes killing children, babies, and the unborn and all you have to say about it is:
He is right in all His judgments
What I and others in this thread have to say about it is
That's bullshit. Killing children, babies and the unborn is immoral and abhorrent.
(paraphrased)
If I have misrepresented you, and you also condemn killing children, babies and the unborn for other peoples' sins, I will apologize publicly...and very sincerely. If I am not misrepresenting you, please stop saying that I am!
How can I LIKE this or even "support" it?
So to clear this up once and for all, do you NOT support God killing David and Bathsheba's baby because they had sex and sinned? Or do you support God killing a baby as a judgement for his parent's sin?
You could clear this up right now, easily.

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Aussie
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Message 107 of 171 (873659)
03-18-2020 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by Faith
03-18-2020 12:04 PM


Re: Kill the Adults and Leave the Children?
I just spilled a big cup of coffee with cream in it all over the carpet.
It's probably God judging you for confusing Genocide with Justice...

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