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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The OT doesn't regard killing the fetus as murder but it does regard it as a child. Which we know from other scriptures about God's knowing us in the womb and so on. And yes it was property, that doesn't make it less human.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Please learn to tell the difference between the innocent and the guilty. I know it's hard but try. And the son in the example is generally understood to be a grown son, not a child. Like the priest Eli's grown sons who were considered by God to be Eli's responsibility.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Sorry, human beings have been regarded as property until very recently. that includes wives, children and slaves. And they still are in other parts of the world.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No it did not come from the Bible, the Bible merely reflects the practices of the times, the entire world is fallen in reality, though we onlyh get to know about it thanks to the Bible, and being fallen ALL cultures everywhere always have treated women children and slaves as property. Women in unChristianized cultures are still suffering from the curse of the Fall, and slavery has been practiced worldwide throughout history.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Justifying it? Learn to read!
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
As I said learn to read.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No you are misreading the Bible and misreading me. As usual. The Bible does its teaching within the normal human cultural context, it does not justify any of that in so doing, in fact if you do know how to read, which you've shown many times that you don't but in case you ever learn how, you may notice that God's law provides for measures that reduce the effects of the fallen culture by humanizing the slavery practices and so on. Of course you don't know how to read so this will fall on deaf ears in your case but perhaps someone else will have ears to hear. If not, oh well.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Isn't it weird that you are constantly defending killing people, Faith? The atheists are defending life while you are just Death's cheerleader on this forum. You personally have defended the killing of the unborn and children to me on this very forum on multiple occasions. I'm thinking specifically about the Flood and Jericho. I would truly love to hear you defending life on occasion. I'm "constantly defending killing people?" Wow. God kills as justice/judgment, which unfortunately includes children and the unborn. That was the reason for the Flood and Jericho. We are delegrated to execute criminals as judgment, but abortion is killing the innocent. So is every kind of murder yet so many here can't seem to tell the difference between judgment and murder. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The alacrity with which so many here speak evil against God makes me shudder. You can be an atheist without hating God and finding fault with His judgments. All I'm doing is believing God, the God of the Bible, who certainly does kill people in judgment, including babies and the unborn. Being a believer, knowing that He's God and I'm not, knowing that God is good and cannot sin, I know that whether I understand it or not, and of course I don't, His judgments are good.
"Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom" says the Bible. That is a way of saying we need to have a healthy respect for the fact that God does punish sin, and that means our personal sins as well as the sins of nations. When He kills whole nations/tribes it is certainly judgment for their sins. Jesus also said we should not fear the one who can only kill our bodies, who is Satan, but we should fear the one who can also kill our souls or throw us into eternal punishment or something like that, I forget the exact quote, and that's God. I keep thinking lately that the most effective way to deal with this pandemic would be if great numbers of us saw ourselves as sinners and repented before God and asked Him to give us a solution to this problem. But as it is I even have to hesitate when I personally talk to God in this way because I know so many people speak so abusively about Him I don't see why He would want to be merciful to us about anything. The Israelites who wanted a golden calf to worship instead of the one true God Moses was talking to on Mount Sinai were just confused about God's nature, but today people aren't just confused, and it isn't even that so many merely don't believe, there is an active self-righteous hatred of God, the gall to judge Him instead of letting Him judge us, which is His prerogative. There is no sense at all of the rightness of the "fear and trembling" scripture says is the appropriate attitude toward the omnipotent God. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Just a gentle reminder that God's response to the golden calf incident was the slaughter of 3, 000 people!!!! "The wages of sin is death," Aussie. I didn't make that up. And of course if God wiped out so many of His own people for their false worship, I worry that He's not going to tolerate much more of this evilspeaking against Him so many do these days. Even this pandemic is God's judgment you know, nothing happens without Him. His Moral Law contines to operate. "The windmills of the Lord grind very fine." Nevertheless in His mercy He gives us ways to deal with it. We should be grateful. Wish you were. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Of course you don't understand it. It's bloody barbarism in its most vicious incarnation. The killing of babies is a monstrous evil to take the breath away. We atheists will repudiate the deliberate killing of children and babies to the end of time, and we repudiate every brain that contemplates this killing and calls it "good." Like you do. Funny then that so many atheists are all in favor of killing the unborn and lately some are even willing to kill the baby just after it is born. And you know, the way God kills is imputed by atheists to normal events, to all sorts of natural things like hurricanes and earthquakes and diseases and pandemics. What we get from the Bible is the knowledge that there is a Moral Law in operation that brings these things about. It should be regarded as information we can make use of to control such things. Prayer, repentance, avoiding sin etc. Even some pagan relgions recognize the operation of a Moral Law that governs our lives, karma for instance. Yet instead of regarding this as helpful information through the mercy of God you hate Him. Amazing. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No it's not "collateral damage" that the children die too, it's part of the judgment of God. Either it is right for reasons we can't understand since children aren't innocent of the Fall either, or maybe it's just that killing the adults and leaving the children alive would be even worse for them than killing them.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
There is no comparison with ISIS. Killing by humans for the evil reasons given by terrorists is murder. You can't compare God with human sin.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Prove it.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Be careful Aussie. I'm defending God and you are blaspheming Him.
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