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jar
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Message 76 of 955 (873780)
03-19-2020 12:18 PM
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03-19-2020 12:13 PM


Re: And the President gives himself a 10!
True that. I hear folk come all the way from South America just to walk around it admiringly. Some even take selfies of themselves and friends scaling parts of it. Soon to be the BIGGEST WONDER of the WORLD, bigger than all the other wonders combined.

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Message 77 of 955 (873783)
03-19-2020 12:50 PM
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03-18-2020 3:29 PM


Re: A Question About Masks
We are experiencing a day of light rain, and it seems to me this should take a lot of particulates out of the air, as the small droplets form on particulates.
Thoughts?
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Message 78 of 955 (873787)
03-19-2020 2:06 PM
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03-19-2020 12:50 PM


Re: A Question About Masks
We are experiencing a day of light rain, and it seems to me this should take a lot of particulates out of the air, as the small droplets form on particulates.
Thoughts?
Not sure of the efficacy of rain against viruses. Rain does have a positive effect for allergies as it can wash away pollens.
Based on my understanding, sunlight and heat have a larger effect on viruses. Most viruses don't like sunlight, which is why flu season is generally in the winter.
No guarantees that Covid-19 will be impacted. But based on some of the preliminary research, it does appear that the impact for Covid-19 in the southern hemisphere does appear to be less than the northern at this time.
In my home state of Florida, we have about 350 cases and 8 deaths thus far. This number could increase. But considering the size of the state and how many tourists we have gotten before they banned travel, that would lead me to believe our climate is having an effect. Time will tell of course.
For anyone that is interested, the CDC has a nice webpage that shows the current status in the USA:
https://www.cdc.gov/...9-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html
One potential silver lining is according to the graph of cases since Covid-19 began impacting the USA, we may have already peaked. Then again, it could simply be that we weren't testing enough up until this point. Once again, time will tell.
But for all of us, follow the simple rules: wash your hands, avoid large crowds, try to get some sun and ride it out.

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hooah212002
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Message 79 of 955 (873788)
03-19-2020 2:40 PM
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03-19-2020 12:50 PM


Re: A Question About Masks
I've read an alarming number of comments, on reddit mainly, saying everyone needs to literally stay indoors and that the act of going outside puts you at risk of contraction and death. Keep in mind, I am talking about just going outside. not going to the store. Not going to a restaurant. Not going to a concert. Just going outside your house. Is there ANY validity to this? I am struggling to see the rationale that this virus is just hanging around outside my house waiting for me to open the door to attack because if that is the case, the damn thing is already in my house. maybe I am an ignorant ass, but something tells me viruses don't just float around in invisible clouds OUTSIDE. Yes, I get that there is evidence that it can be aerosol and hang around in an enclosed space and thus the need to not share air with strangers. But the only way i see an issue with being outdoors is if you are in close proximity to someone and they cough or sneeze or touch you and you are within striking distance.

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Message 80 of 955 (873789)
03-19-2020 2:51 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by jar
03-19-2020 11:47 AM


Re: And the President gives himself a 10!
So you list all those diseases and then say
And this is unprecedented and unexpected and we need a WARTIME President who knows how to get things done???????????????????????????????????????
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Well, nothing was done about those recent outbreaks, or any of them, no travel bans, no closing businesses and schools, no advice to stay home, so for whatever reason this one is being treated as a much worse threat than the others. That seems to be the consensus of the experts. Two or three times the contagiousness of the flu, many many times the morbidity etc. And taking into account how it seems to have been increasing so rapidly in Italy for instance I don't see a reason to doubt this assessment. So we do seem to need different measures to deal with it.

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jar
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Message 81 of 955 (873790)
03-19-2020 2:59 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by Faith
03-19-2020 2:51 PM


Re: And the President gives himself a 10!
Some of us learned from history Faith. The Orange Menace did not, His staff was fully briefed on this scenario back in 2017 but he was too stupid to learn from the past and show no indication even now that he has a clue!
Edited by jar, : appalin spallin

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Faith 
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Message 82 of 955 (873791)
03-19-2020 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by hooah212002
03-19-2020 2:40 PM


Re: A Question About Masks
If outside your door is really outside in the open air I don't see a problem from everything I've heard, unless you have an extremely intense concentration of the disease in your immediate neighborhood, and even then, the open air?.....
Outside my door is a long hallway to the front door of the apartment building and I'd have to go down in the elevator to get there too, which is a pretty enclosed space.
I can go out on my balcony though. That's outside too. Far as I know there are no instances of the disease in the building so I'm not worried but as soon as I hear of some I might start being concerned about even going out in the hall because of what we've heard about its lingering in aerosol form for three hours, but maybe that would be excessive worry, it's hard to know. If I were younger I might not worry about it anyway but being in my seventies I really don't want to catch it.
But again, if your door goes outside to an open area I don't see a reason to worry. On the other hand, what do I know?
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 83 of 955 (873792)
03-19-2020 3:03 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by jar
03-19-2020 2:59 PM


Re: And the President gives himself a 10!
Well jar, from everything I've heard that's a leftist false narrative.

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jar
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Message 84 of 955 (873794)
03-19-2020 3:29 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by Faith
03-19-2020 3:03 PM


Re: And the President gives himself a 10!
Well Faith, I provided a link to the actual story as well as he slides used. Your folk as expected are simply lying.
And today, 51 Republican Senators voted down extending unemployment insurance to those who are out of work due to mandated closures.
Pitiful, totally deplorable and pitiful. Shame on them and the Orange Menace.

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Diomedes
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Message 85 of 955 (873796)
03-19-2020 3:39 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by hooah212002
03-19-2020 2:40 PM


Re: A Question About Masks
I've read an alarming number of comments, on reddit mainly
That was the first mistake. Reddit and Twitter as well are not reliable sources of information.
the act of going outside puts you at risk of contraction and death. Keep in mind, I am talking about just going outside. not going to the store. Not going to a restaurant. Not going to a concert. Just going outside your house. Is there ANY validity to this?
No validity whatsoever. This is a mis-interpretation of the concept of an 'airborne' pathogen.
Viruses have limited capability to stay aloft. They usually reside within water droplets of some sort that might stay in the air for a few seconds, if for example someone sneezed, but then they rapidly fall to the ground. From there, depending on the surface, a virus may stay viable for maybe 12 to 24 hours before it becomes inert.
This is why the focus on people washing their hands. The highest likelihood of someone getting Covid-19, or any virus for that matter, is through touching a surface and then touching your face and having it enter your respiratory tract.
So no, simply going outside is not a problem. This is a virus, not a chemical weapon. In fact, if it is sunny out, going outside helps boost your immune system (Vitamin D) and since viruses don't like sunlight, the risk of exposure is minuscule so long as you keep a safe distance from other folks.

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Message 86 of 955 (873797)
03-19-2020 3:43 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by Diomedes
03-19-2020 3:39 PM


Re: A Question About Masks
Viruses have limited capability to stay aloft. They usually reside within water droplets of some sort that might stay in the air for a few seconds, if for example someone sneezed, but then they rapidly fall to the ground. From there, depending on the surface, a virus may stay viable for maybe 12 to 24 hours before it becomes inert.
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Dr. Michael Osteholm in the videos that were posted I think earlier in this thread (Message 19 and Message 25)is an expert on this subject* and he says very clearly that the viruses DO stay in the air for up to three hours just as the motes in the ray of sunlight do. He was very clear about that and he IS a bone fide expert. He also said that we transmit the virus by merely breathing so it isn't just the droplets of sneezing that we're talking about.
But I do think he was talking about the effect indoors rather than outdoors.
*Abe: And in case you dispute my recommendation you may accept AZP's in Message 42.
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Message 87 of 955 (873820)
03-19-2020 6:08 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Faith
03-18-2020 1:33 PM


Re: A Small Book about Boosting Immunity
Faith writes:
What I quoted from the book was certainly not misinformation.
You didn't quote anything from the book, and what you said about it tells us that it is full of misinformation, which isn't any surprise since Michael Savage is a known conspiracy theorist. But conspiracy theories sell books and can really get the pulse going, so happy reading.
--Percy

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Message 88 of 955 (873824)
03-19-2020 8:13 PM


Italy lost 475 to coronavirus Wednesday. 2978 deaths total in Italy, passing China
Wow.
One relatively small country is passing 3000 deaths as we speak.
The standard response to the question WHY ITALY has been met with the point that Italy is an country with an old population plus some other reasons.
We all have to wonder if there will be this much touted PEAK in deaths or will there be an upward climb, in cases and deaths , that advances in a numerically linear trajectory. Nobody feels like it is a real possibility for exponentially higher deaths and none of us can fathom just what it would be like for that to happen.
Italy is hopefully peaking at 500 deaths a day, but is it really. Can't find question mark on my phone.

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Coragyps
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Message 89 of 955 (873825)
03-19-2020 9:03 PM
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03-19-2020 8:13 PM


Re: Italy lost 475 to coronavirus Wednesday. 2978 deaths total in Italy, passing China
I read something this morning about the link between Wuhan and Northern Italy - fashion. Big Fashion is in Italy, and lots of seamstresses/clothing factories are in Wuhan, and the large Chinese population in Northern Italy has ties to home. There is (was?) a direct flight between those spots. That clarified for me a puzzling question - what was the connection?

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hooah212002
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Message 90 of 955 (873826)
03-19-2020 9:03 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by Diomedes
03-19-2020 3:39 PM


Re: A Question About Masks
quote:
That was the first mistake. Reddit and Twitter as well are not reliable sources of information.
I completely agree. I wasn't using it as a source of information, just a place to discuss things in a lowbrow manner. It's just that I've seen it more than once so I was curious if it had any bearing in reality even though I was sure it did not. Also, I was challenged more than once, quite harshly I might add, for outlining what I thought was the sheer stupidity of the suggestion that equated to "the air will literally kill you. you are definitely going to get infected if you go outside and if you get infected, you'll surely die".
Edited by hooah212002, : made some sentences a tad less cromulent

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