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Good grief. Knowing about it now doesn't mean he knew about it at the moment of the decision.

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If he knew enough about it to defend it in 2018 he ought to still know about it now, especially with all the questions about it. And he certainly shouldn’t be complaining that the question is nasty just because he doesn’t want to live up to his own claims about leadership.

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I think he's doing a good job at leadership myself.

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Nevertheless, he isn’t living up to his own standards.

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There was some system in operation for supplying what little they could of testing materials.

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So it was the idea of bringing those people back that was inadequate? Because they were long gone. They can’t be blamed.

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You did not use the term "leftist" accurately because Snopes isn't leftist, and you *are* using at as a smear and as an excuse for ignoring information.

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I’m pretty sure she think the latter IS the correct usage.

Before claiming that McCarthy was vindicated consider the other side.Marsha Hunt - now 102 was one of the actresses on the blacklist. BBCThe Hollywood Ten were writers called to testify before HUAC and jailed for refusing to name names. Some people, it seems, want it to happen again.Edited by PaulK, : No reason given.

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She's extremely naive,

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Yes, she thought she lived in a free country, and patriotically standing up for the Constitution wouldn’t be punished.

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... thinking it was just another political party anyone should have the right to join and her complete ignorance about what Communism is and self righteousness about not knowing, are probably the whole mentality that brought down the necessary effort to identify this malignant ideology in America.

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The communists were a legal political party, for some members that’s all they were. But I see you’re a fan of the witch-hunt and the blacklists and likely think they weren’t extreme enough.

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Also, McCarthy couldn't blacklist anyone, right? So that would have been the doing of the studios in Hollywood.

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Nevertheless he encouraged it with his red-baiting and it was his committee that jailed the Hollywood Ten.

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I don't think the blacklisting should be called "the other side" as you call it, since it mostly functioned as a distraction from the whole point of the investigations

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The point of the investigations was to persecute current and former communists and their associates and anyone who stood up for them. The blacklists continued that mentality.

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Prosecuting people who had no connection with the Communist Party or even those who had joined but naively had no idea what it's really all about, seems to have buried the real point of the whole thing...

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Then maybe McCarthy and co. shouldn’t have done that,

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... contrary to all our Constitutional freedoms, those that were invoked in this effort to destroy McCarthy's investigations,

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Arguing that you have to get rid of freedoms to defend them is not a sensible position.

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I'm not arguing that we should get rid of freedoms...

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You certainly sound like you are.

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... but this is a very tricky problem where an ideology that is actually directly opposed to our form of government can get a foothold and even potentially overthrow it because of people's ignorance.

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So long as they keep within the law people should be free to follow whatever ideology they choose. Radical Islam - and White Supremacy - are dangerous for the terrorism they inspire, but it is the terrorism that should be prosecuted, not simple belief.

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This is true not only of Communism but of Islam, Nazism, White Supermacy and probably others. How should this situation be dealt with? Perhaps a massive education program? I'd be for that but the Left would kill it for Communism and Islam.

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The left would kill your propaganda program for the lies it tells. Remember you want to label centrists as communists.

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Just accept that America was a great experiment that failed and now we're looking at totalitarian tyranny?

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Totalitarian tyranny is coming from the Right. That’s what your defence of McCarthy is all about. It’s certainly not about the Soviet Union any more. And that was the only sensible basis for any sort of investigation.

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Unbelievable blindness.

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As usual what you call blindness is seeing things you don’t want seen. What is the point of falsely labelling anyone even slightly left wing as an extremist ? Or banning Islam because of the acts of comparatively few, condemned by many within Islam ?No good or honest purpose is served by either. Tyranny is the point. A one-party state, where freedom of religion is no more. That’s the point.

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Where did I mention any solution in relation to people?

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Given your talk of executing political opponents for (imagined) treason, and your talk of using propaganda to indoctrinate it is pretty clear that any solution you propose will be thoroughly unAmerican and opposed to freedom.

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As for Islam, the religion itself advocates violence against the infidel. Just because not all Muslims follow that directive doesn't mean it isn't there if anyone decides to follow it.

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Islam, like Christianity, has mixed messages on the subject. And if most Muslims are peaceful and good citizens, what is gained y demonising their religion ?

Oh come on. You know you’ve called for the execution of both a Obama and Hilary Clinton. And obviously any education based on demonising views you don’t like would be propaganda.And you also know perfectly well that if I do quote you you’ll just drop it.No, I don’t have to jump through hoops to tell the truth about you.

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m sorry I don't remember saying those things and if I did it must have been in some context that your version doesn't convey.

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You can’t even remember Message 5529 where you suggest what you call a massive education program and say I'd be for that ? Posted less than 3 hours before you forgot ?Your memory seems to be conveniently unreliable.

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Ane yes you DO have to quote me if you are going to make such an accusation, that's just ordinary civility.

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Demanding that I dig through the site archives to find things seems less than civil. As does the demand that I quote a post you made only a couple of hours before in the same thread.

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Not that I can expect civility from a Leftist, but surprise me.

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Maybe you should learn a little civility yourself.

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I'll probably argue that the context conveys soething other than your version conveys rather than just drop it.

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However, your usual response is to drop it without even an apology.Lying about it would be a new one.

Funny how Faith is ignoring the evidence already produced. Or it would be if it wasn’t what she usually does in these situations.

Well you still haven’t addressed the issue of the propaganda campaign for which I did present evidence. And I didn’t think you counted executions as violence.

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Implying he called the virus a hoax, but what he called a hoax was the media's hysteria about the virus.

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And the hysteria turned out to be far more accurate than his claims.

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Saying he refused to take responsibility as if he said it about the virus itself when he was talking about a particular decision to eliminate some office or other which wasn't his responsibility.

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It was a high level decision that happened on his watch, so yes he was responsible. That’s what leadership means. If you think Trump’s weaselling on the issue is good leadership then that’s your problem. It’s a very bad example.

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Do you people ever care about the truth?

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Obviously we care for it more than you or Trump.

...for spreading misinformation. The latest video was apparently the last straw. Ars TechnicaEdited by Adminnemooseus, : Fix link - there was a space between '[url'= and 'https:'

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Funny how if "everybody knew it was coming" what "everybody" actually SAID was the same stuff Trump said at the beginning, oh no big deal, not to worry, etc.

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Funny how the story changes. Not so long ago you said that there was hysteria about the virus which Trump called a hoax. Now that hysteria never existed.

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People put down Trump for stopping flights from China, people like Biden for instance.

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That would be the Joe Biden who warned that Trump had left America unproared to face a pandemic back in January? USA Today. When everybody was saying no big deal, not to worry.Biden is not convinced that travel bans would help much - especially after the virus was already in the US, but that is not at all the sane thing as being unconcerned with the virus,

And just to emphasise the lying, here’s what Faith was saying a couple of weeks ago: Message 5565
Message 5592
Everyone was saying oh no big deal, not to worry, etc ?