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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You're asking a lot of questions and doing a lot of speculating. I don't know the answers, you don't knjow the answers.
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JonF Member (Idle past 194 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
You're ignoring a lot of facts.
Trump's Statements About the Coronavirus - FactCheck.org
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frako Member (Idle past 332 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
ut thats just the evil enemy of the people media, reporting on what trump says or does. That shouldnt count.
Trumps true statements is the forth try after the shit hit the fan. everything else is fake news. Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8552 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Sorry. Can't lay this one on The Orange Bastard.
Nigeria has had this thing for Chloroquine and COVID-19 for more than a month now. Nigerians React To Use Of Chloroquine For Fighting Coronavirus — Guardian Life — The Guardian Nigeria News – Nigeria and World News Started with Chinese reports. I don't know if I would trust South China Morning Post on this one.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Percy Member Posts: 22492 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: You're asking a lot of questions and doing a lot of speculating. I don't know the answers, you don't knjow the answers. I raised the same issues raised in the article that you were ignoring. I asked a single question (the second was rhetorical). Did you not hear the press briefing today where Trump said that henceforth the federal government would drop out of any bidding where they were competing against states? Apparently I do know the answers. Percy
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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Before claiming that McCarthy was vindicated consider the other side.
Marsha Hunt - now 102 was one of the actresses on the blacklist.
BBC The Hollywood Ten were writers called to testify before HUAC and jailed for refusing to name names.
Marsha's problems with the authorities may have begun when she joined the Committee for the First Amendment - a group of liberal actors who supported the Hollywood Ten. Among those who flew to Washington were Danny Kaye, Gene Kelly and John Huston. Also there were Lauren Bacall and Humphrey Bogart, married and the biggest stars Warner Bros had. "We were a brigade to defend those who'd been blacklisted or were under suspicion," Hunt remembers. "We were serious citizens trying to set Washington straight: we were not a bunch of Reds. We were headed by the Bogarts so we were a pretty spiffy team. "I knew nothing about communism but I just thought that as it was a legal party other people had the right to join the darned thing if they wanted to. But it was a time of hysteria and all of us who spoke out against blacklists were punished in some way or other. There was a very strong right wing in the movie business." "We live, we proudly insist, in a free country. By that was meant, I was sure, that you were free to your opinions and actions if they didn't break any law. The anti-Reds were fighting Americans' freedoms. I didn't know the first thing about communism - never studied it, never learned about it. I must have known a few communists but I didn't care - that was their business, not mine." Many younger people know little about the Hollywood blacklist," she says. "Sometimes I'm asked if it could ever happen again. I hope America learned from what happened all those years ago. But how can you ever be sure?" Some people, it seems, want it to happen again. Edited by PaulK, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Marsha's problems with the authorities may have begun when she joined the Committee for the First Amendment - a group of liberal actors who supported the Hollywood Ten. Among those who flew to Washington were Danny Kaye, Gene Kelly and John Huston. Also there were Lauren Bacall and Humphrey Bogart, married and the biggest stars Warner Bros had. "We were a brigade to defend those who'd been blacklisted or were under suspicion," Hunt remembers. "We were serious citizens trying to set Washington straight: we were not a bunch of Reds. We were headed by the Bogarts so we were a pretty spiffy team. "I knew nothing about communism but I just thought that as it was a legal party other people had the right to join the darned thing if they wanted to. But it was a time of hysteria and all of us who spoke out against blacklists were punished in some way or other. There was a very strong right wing in the movie business." "We live, we proudly insist, in a free country. By that was meant, I was sure, that you were free to your opinions and actions if they didn't break any law. The anti-Reds were fighting Americans' freedoms. I didn't know the first thing about communism - never studied it, never Marsha's problems with the authorities may have begun when she joined the Committee for the First Amendment - a group of liberal actors who supported the Hollywood Ten. Among those who flew to Washington were Danny Kaye, Gene Kelly and John Huston. Also there were Lauren Bacall and Humphrey Bogart, married and the biggest stars Warner Bros had."We were a brigade to defend those who'd been blacklisted or were under suspicion," Hunt remembers. "We were serious citizens trying to set Washington straight: we were not a bunch of Reds. We were headed by the Bogarts so we were a pretty spiffy team. "I knew nothing about communism but I just thought that as it was a legal party other people had the right to join the darned thing if they wanted to. But it was a time of hysteria and all of us who spoke out against blacklists were punished in some way or other. There was a very strong right wing in the movie business." "We live, we proudly insist, in a free country. By that was meant, I was sure, that you were free to your opinions and actions if they didn't break any law. The anti-Reds were fighting Americans' freedoms. I didn't know the first thing about communism - never studied it, never learned about it. I must have known a few communists but I didn't care - that was their business, not mine." She's extremely naive, thinking it was just another political party anyone should have the right to join and her complete ignorance about what Communism is and self righteousness about not knowing, are probably the whole mentality that brought down the necessary effort to identify this malignant ideology in America. Also, McCarthy couldn't blacklist anyone, right? So that would have been the doing of the studios in Hollywood. I don't think the blacklisting should be called "the other side" as you call it, since it mostly functioned as a distraction from the whole point of the investigations. It overshadowed the real importance of investigations into Communist activity in the US. It's too bad if mismanagement of the proceedings succeeded in derailing that effort, which apparently it did. Prosecuting people who had no connection with the Communist Party or even those who had joined but naively had no idea what it's really all about, seems to have buried the real point of the whole thing, and now Communist ideas, which really are Un American, contrary to all our Constitutional freedoms, those that were invoked in this effort to destroy McCarthy's investigations, now have become powerful influences in the country. it's certainly correct that young people don't know anything about all this but the blacklisting is not the main part of what they don't know. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Yes, she thought she lived in a free country, and patriotically standing up for the Constitution wouldn’t be punished.
quote: The communists were a legal political party, for some members that’s all they were. But I see you’re a fan of the witch-hunt and the blacklists and likely think they weren’t extreme enough.
quote: Nevertheless he encouraged it with his red-baiting and it was his committee that jailed the Hollywood Ten.
quote: The point of the investigations was to persecute current and former communists and their associates and anyone who stood up for them. The blacklists continued that mentality.
quote: Then maybe McCarthy and co. shouldn’t have done that,
quote: Arguing that you have to get rid of freedoms to defend them is not a sensible position.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'm not arguing that we should get rid of freedoms but this is a very tricky problem where an ideology that is actually directly opposed to our form of government can get a foothold and even potentially overthrow it because of people's ignorance. This is true not only of Communism but of Islam, Nazism, White Supermacy and probably others. How should this situation be dealt with? Perhaps a massive education program? I'd be for that but the Left would kill it for Communism and Islam. Racism? Xenophobia? What then? Just accept that America was a great experiment that failed and now we're looking at totalitarian tyranny? Yeah I know the Left doesn't see it this way but they are wrong.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The point of the investigations was to persecute current and former communists and their associates and anyone who stood up for them. Then it was badly planned because this is about a dangerous ideology that most people embrace ignorantly.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: You certainly sound like you are.
quote: So long as they keep within the law people should be free to follow whatever ideology they choose. Radical Islam - and White Supremacy - are dangerous for the terrorism they inspire, but it is the terrorism that should be prosecuted, not simple belief.
quote: The left would kill your propaganda program for the lies it tells. Remember you want to label centrists as communists.
quote: Totalitarian tyranny is coming from the Right. That’s what your defence of McCarthy is all about. It’s certainly not about the Soviet Union any more. And that was the only sensible basis for any sort of investigation.
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Percy Member Posts: 22492 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Geez, this is scary, Trump agrees with something I said: Trump Says Coronavirus Cure Cannot ‘Be Worse Than the Problem Itself’ - The New York Times, see message subtitle. Of course, I was just raising a possibility for consideration, but Trump is inconstant and has trouble staying a course. Just as has been noted, he's guided by whatever he thinks will give him the most positive play in the news cycle:
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Unbelievable blindness.
But completely expected. Wonder how long before bye-bye America?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: As usual what you call blindness is seeing things you don’t want seen. What is the point of falsely labelling anyone even slightly left wing as an extremist ? Or banning Islam because of the acts of comparatively few, condemned by many within Islam ? No good or honest purpose is served by either. Tyranny is the point. A one-party state, where freedom of religion is no more. That’s the point.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Where did I mention any solution in relation to people?
As for Islam, the religion itself advocates violence against the infidel. Just because not all Muslims follow that directive doesn't mean it isn't there if anyone decides to follow it.
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