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Message 155 of 955 (874028)
03-23-2020 5:42 PM
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03-23-2020 4:45 PM


You can probably get jigsaws from Amazon.

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Message 157 of 955 (874030)
03-23-2020 6:06 PM


The Quinine Drugs Problematic Miracle Cure?
I've been trying to find information about this online and found plenty of tentative cautious reports but what I've been hearing on Sean Hannity is something near-miraculous with these malaria drugs for treating Covid-19. I can't find those stories, and my eyes give out too son to continue looking longer, so I'm going to go ahead and post this anyway and hope more information comes out soon along these lines or someone else can track it down.
It was disturbing to hear Hannity discussing them without getting into the very dangerous side effects I posted on in Message 114 where I originally brought up these Quinine-based drugs. Trump and others had been saying they can improve or even cure Covid-19. Today I've been hearing how beneficial they are. A woman reported on the Hannity show that she had underlying medical conditions that made the virus particularly dangerous and one of these drugs, I forget which, cleared up her problem breathing. Hannity had on another guest, a man whose name I forget, sorry again, whose story was that he was told he was going to die of the virus until they gave him one of these drugs. He had been sick for nine days and within ten hours of being given the drug he felt like he'd never been sick at all. Hannity kept referring to a Dr. Zelensky or Zelenko who he said claims something like 250 cures with the drug, but I can't find him online either. May have the name wrong though.
Doctors Hannity had on the show to discuss it were appropriately cautious about a too enthusiastic use of the drugs because they have serious side effects, but at least during the part of the show I heard they didn't describe those side effects. I mention them in Message 114, mainly encephalopathy with concomitant psychological effects that are confused with PTSD among other things.
So all that obviously needs to be taken into account and I wish it had been discussed on this program, but what DID come across is that these drugs sound like they can be borderline miraculous in their effect on this virus. If so, certainly in the very severe cases, those at death's door, those with serious underlying medical conditions, there shouldn't be any reason NOT to use them. The side effects are serious but not lethal and perhaps careful dosing can mitigate them.
This COULD be a cure for the serious cases and in the long run bring an end to this pandemic a lot sooner than we'd been hoping.
Certainly worth serious thought.
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Message 159 of 955 (874035)
03-23-2020 6:33 PM
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03-23-2020 6:24 PM


Re: The Quinine Drugs Problematic Miracle Cure?
If the stories I heard on Hannity are true there have already been enough cases to justify their use on the most serious cases right now, I mean people who would die without even a drastic treatment being tried..
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Message 162 of 955 (874038)
03-23-2020 7:03 PM
Reply to: Message 160 by jar
03-23-2020 6:56 PM


Only if death is the only alternative
Of course the drugs should be controlled and not administered without extremely good reason and extremely good understanding of the drug. But these drugs are used all the time in the treatment of malaria presumably without killing the patient so that experience should be the place to start for dosage. A miracle cure is a lot to ask but there seems to be enough reason to think they are at least helpfuj to make them worth a try IN THE MOST SERIOUS CASES, where the patient is having such severe trouble breathing for instance, death is a certainty unless something is done.
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Message 174 of 955 (874062)
03-24-2020 11:34 AM
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03-23-2020 6:24 PM


Re: The Quinine Drugs Problematic Miracle Cure?
Well, it's the battle of the talk show hosts. Hannity thinks the quinine treatments should be used now, Michael Savage was on again last night saying they are poison. It's clear that they can cause brain damage with serious psychological effects, but on the other hand if they can save the people on the verge of death from Covid-19 and they've been used for treating malaria for years, they seem worth a try. I didn't hear much of Savage last night so I don't know if that argument counts with him, and I know Hannity doesn't seem to appreciate the dangers of the drugs. Al the medical people advise caution.
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Message 175 of 955 (874063)
03-24-2020 11:44 AM
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03-23-2020 10:42 PM


W
What have you heard about the Cuban drug used in China and Italy?
Nada, but if I hear something I'll report it.

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Message 177 of 955 (874068)
03-24-2020 12:32 PM
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03-24-2020 12:39 AM


Re: You might want to consider using dilute Cl bleach
Bleach, even diluted, is hard on plastic, such as the plastic parts in a car. Better to use alcohol there. Or soap and water of course.
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Message 181 of 955 (874077)
03-24-2020 1:59 PM
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03-24-2020 1:35 PM


Re: The Quinine Drugs Problematic Miracle Cure?
Whatever THAT was was certainly a bad idea, but what was it?
Is Chloroquine PHOSPHATE the same thing I've been talking about?
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Faith 
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Message 184 of 955 (874083)
03-24-2020 2:51 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by Percy
03-24-2020 2:21 PM


Re: The Quinine Drugs Problematic Miracle Cure?
Not that you care, nor do I care what you care about, but for the record all the talk shows produce long sound bites of all the health professionals. besides the news I hear on the station.
Why is it so important to you to be so obnoxiously leftish?
I'm one of very very few on my side of the political spectrum here but you represent the majority so what's the point of beating me up all the time lately?
By the way these guys have HUGE audiences.
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Faith 
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Message 196 of 955 (874099)
03-24-2020 9:02 PM
Reply to: Message 195 by dwise1
03-24-2020 6:58 PM


Re: we need to test everybody.
You say Cuomo is "doing something about it?" What is he doing besides yelling about needing things that aren't available, that his own state's liberal laws limited in such a way that they can't be available?
While meanwhile businesses have been retooling their factories in order to produce the stuff he and the rest of the entire world need right now. Seems to me THEY are "doing something about it" while Cuomo is just bleating to no purpose. No CONSTRUCTIVE purpose anyway, though possibly a partisan politifal purpose perhaps.
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Faith 
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Message 197 of 955 (874100)
03-24-2020 9:11 PM
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03-24-2020 3:20 PM


Re: The Quinine Drugs Problematic Miracle Cure?
I only mentioned their huge audiences because Percy seemed to be saying nobody listens to them.

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Message 198 of 955 (874101)
03-24-2020 9:30 PM
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03-24-2020 3:53 PM


Re: The Quinine Drugs Problematic Miracle Cure?
You accuse me of "error and ignorance" but have failed to mention any instances of these in this discussion.

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Faith 
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Message 199 of 955 (874102)
03-24-2020 9:33 PM
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03-24-2020 4:26 PM


Re: The Quinine Drugs Problematic Miracle Cure?
You too accuse me of error and ignorance, in this case to the degree that it will kill people without giving even a hint as to what you are talking about.
You also say you"doubt very much" if any of the people I listen to care about the truth, obviously knowing nothing about any of it, yet you accuse ME of this kind of crap?

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Faith 
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Message 205 of 955 (874109)
03-25-2020 6:05 AM
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03-25-2020 1:13 AM


Re: The Quinine Drugs Problematic Miracle Cure?
I'm not interested in proving anything beyond what I just proved about how you say you doubt something when you have zero evidence of it. That's enough.
Beyond that I asked you what "errors and ignorance" you are imputing to me, which you didn't answer at all. Far as I know I've committed neither error nor ignorance in this discussion.

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Faith 
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Message 206 of 955 (874110)
03-25-2020 6:12 AM
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03-25-2020 3:34 AM


The reason the case count reported by Cuomo is doubling every day is thay are now getting the test kits and are able to see how many there are through those. Are the counts actually doubling or do they simply have the means to count them that they didn't have until recently.
Trump wants the country to open up because the economic disaster would be worse than the virus if it goes on too long. He is serving the country, not himself, but all you know apparently is what EvC people in general know, which is what the Trump-hating activist nonjournalistic media feed you. He also said only that Easter is a good day to shoot for, not that there's anything hard and fast about that date. It depends on how things develop with the virus AND the economy between now and then. Trump is a great leader, too bad the Left can't see it.
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