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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Lammy writes: If allowed to spread like the regular flu, it would be 70,000 x 20 people dead each year. You are forgetting that this is a new virus which, unlike the flu virus, there is no immunity to either from prior infection or vaccination. So the entire global population is available to it not just a proportion of it.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Phat writes: Could the rapture be far off? Yes.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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To get back to basics, this is a new virus which H.sapiens have no immunity to. This means that all of us are likely to get it eventually - without intervention.
Here we are being told that 60% will get in the next 12 months and 80% eventually. The question is really about timing. Ideally I would have got it a week or so ago so that if I needed hospital care I'd get it. Alternatively, I'd go for about 6 months hence when we'd have hit and gone beyond the peak, beds and ventilators are available again and some drugs have been found to be effective. After that it's another 6-12 months hoping for the vaccine. So, given that option one has already been missed and I have to live my life, I'd go for reasonable and pragmatic precautions and hope for a bit of luck. Getting it is almost certain, getting life threatening symptoms is more unlikely than not getting it at all. We need luck part more than the chance of not getting it and we need the good timing part probably more than either.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm. |
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Percy writes: But if the German figure can be confirmed, if coronavirus actually has a far lower mortality rate than currently thought, it would be a major game changer. Business and industry could reopen. Normal life could resume. Depression could be avoided. Not really. It's not just the direct mortality rate that's important it's the serious illness rate. If everyone gets this thing within a few months of everyone else, our emergency services will fail and more will die for lack of treatment. Most countries are introducing movement restrictions to slow down the rate of infection in order to protect our health systems.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
As of now, the UK is in lockdown.
Wish I'd bought some jigsawsJe suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
If anything good comes out of this at all, it might be that even the Trumpian deluded masses will notice that Trump made a total horlicks of this. Well those that survive it.
This virus doesn't read his tweets or care what garbage he utters, it's got its own agenda and only total isolation can stop it. We're hearing now that New York is now likely to become the epicentre of the disease.
quote: Meanwhile Trump surrounds himself with people that just nod and fiddles as Rome burns - he wants the country "opened up and raring to go by Easter Sunday," He really is a dangerous, self-serving arsehole.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Faith writes: Trump is a great leader, too bad the Left can't see it. The thing about great leaders is that pretty much everyone agrees that they're great leaders. Otherwise they're just partisan wannabes. Another prophesy for you Faith, your country will be in a bigger crisis at Easter than it is now. He's a total jerk.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
My daughter has it.
She was in the front line as a teacher looking after the children of critical workers, so it was as near inevitable as it gets but it's still a shock and a worry. 7 days now to wait.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
This is our guidance
How long to self-isolate If you have symptoms If you have symptoms of coronavirus, you'll need to self-isolate for 7 days.
After 7 days: if you do not have a high temperature, you do not need to self-isolateif you still have a high temperature, keep self-isolating until your temperature returns to normal You do not need to self-isolate if you just have a cough after 7 days. A cough can last for several weeks after the infection has gone. What to do if you have or might have coronavirus (COVID-19) - NHS Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
The problem we have here is that without the test, we've no way of knowing whether this is COVID or not. The symptoms are similar to colds and flu.
The first symptom was loss of sense of taste and smell and a sniffle - which was enough for the doctor to say highly likely COVID: isolate. But this was followed later by a running nose, which is not necessarily COVID - in normal times we'd just say it's a cold. Just have to see what happens next.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
So, now our glorious leader Boris has it and is self-isolating in 10 Downing Street. Probably means a lot of others in our government and senior civil service have too: it's all very democratic.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm. |
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
My daughter has no fever and no cough, sniffle has gone but still has total lack of taste and smell. Doctor reckons that she's highly likely to have a very mild form of C19. If correct, she's a very, very lucky girl and is now hopefully safe.
She's a bit stir crazy though as she's in solitary confined to her bedroom trying not to infect her partner. Or to expose him as little as possible. Dr said something interesting - the less exposure the milder the illness. I can think of scenarios of how that might work but I'm sceptical.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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My daughter comes out of isolation tomorrow. She still has no smell or taste but for the first time reckons tooth paste tastes of something. She had this loss of smell without a cold - a weird thing. It's not being officially called a symptom that's definitive, but it's becoming clear that it may very well be one.
quote: Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Boris Johnson our Prime Minister was admitted to hospital last night.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm. |
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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You're not going to die Faith, there's no way god would want you his side of the fence.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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