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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Whatever THAT was was certainly a bad idea, but what was it? Moral don't take anything suggested by some person on the internet. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
In a message further on you ask what it is you've said that was error or ignorance, so before replying I'll note that this message of yours is yet another filled with error and ignorance.
Faith writes: You say Cuomo is "doing something about it?" What is he doing besides yelling about needing things that aren't available... Here's what Cuomo is doing about it:
Now you tell us what Trump is doing, besides spreading a great deal of misinformation. Cuomo was wrong about one thing. He said, "No American is going to say, 'Accelerate the economy at the expense of human life.'" He's wrong because there are at least a couple Americans saying exactly that. The Lieutenant Governor of Texas said that elderly Americans would gladly sacrifice their lives to get the economy going. And more notably, Trump himself wants business restarted by Easter, less than two and half weeks away, a move widely opposed by health professionals.
...that his own state's liberal laws limited in such a way that they can't be available? You're promoting a conspiracy theory that Trump pulled from Gateway Pundit, a website "known for publishing falsehoods and spreading hoaxes." (The Gateway Pundit - Wikipedia) --Percy Edited by Percy, : Wordsmith the first sentence, the original was poorly written.
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Faith writes: I only mentioned their huge audiences because Percy seemed to be saying nobody listens to them. Wrong again. I said you shouldn't be getting your health information from them. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Faith writes: You accuse me of "error and ignorance" but have failed to mention any instances of these in this discussion. Practically every reply to you is a correction of your error and ignorance. This thread alone abounds with evidence of it, as do many others. I can't count the number of times I've ended a reply to you by commenting that you've managed to get through yet another post without saying anything true. To find evidence of your error and ignorance just read almost any reply to you anywhere. Please stop deflecting attention from the topic by demanding evidence of the incredibly obvious that is already omnipresent. If you're saying things you're not willing to own up to then I suggest not saying them in the first place. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
xongsmith writes: Coronavirus: The Hammer and the Dance | by Tomas Pueyo | Medium Kinda grim in that it seems what the US is doing is WRONG. We should be doing both lines of attack with the full kitchen sink of strategies. Kinda very, very long. I skimmed it but think I have the essence: put the hammer down now and stop all interaction that is non-essential. Implement extremely widespread testing as quickly as possible so people don't circulate in the population before they know they're infected. Please correct as necessary. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Tangle writes: If anything good comes out of this at all, it might be that even the Trumpian deluded masses will notice that Trump made a total horlicks of this. Well those that survive it. I didn't read the article, but I did see a headline in Google News that said Trump's approval rating is at an all time high.
Meanwhile Trump surrounds himself with people that just nod and fiddles as Rome burns - he wants the country "opened up and raring to go by Easter Sunday," He really is a dangerous, self-serving arsehole. But a highly approved one. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Faith writes: I'm not interested in proving anything beyond what I just proved about how you say you doubt something when you have zero evidence of it. That's enough. Well, that's as clear as mud. Didn't you tell me you were going to begin quoting what you're replying to, just after I totally dismantled your claim that you usually quote?
Beyond that I asked you what "errors and ignorance" you are imputing to me, which you didn't answer at all. Far as I know I've committed neither error nor ignorance in this discussion. I would venture that most of us are completely mystified about how you can make claims like this after saying almost nothing true throughout even long threads like this one, and being called on it time after time. Surprise us all by saying something true in your reply. --Percy
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JonF Member (Idle past 189 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
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JonF Member (Idle past 189 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Lou Dobbs And Brit Hume are on board for whacking us olds.
Death Panel Guy Glenn Beck Calls For Oldsters To Sacrifice On The Altar Of St. Wall Street | Crooks and Liars Brit Hume And Tucker Carlson Discuss Who Should Live And Who Should Die | Crooks and Liars Oh, and... Worker threw exception | www.rawstory.com | Cloudflare
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Used successfully in China and Italy and other locations
US news curiously silent, while Trump pushes untested likely bogus flu vaccine ... Cuba Uses 'Wonder Drug' to Fight Coronavirus Around World Despite U.S. Sanctions
quote: Could US sanctions and presidential bias be preventing Americans from getting treatment that works elsewhere in the world? Just wondering. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : No reason given.by our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Faith writes: You say the companies that are reorganizing to produce the medical supplies aren't yet up and running, but I've been hearing that they are and one thing that is now being produced in great numbers is the testing kits. Can you cite a news article presenting information that would confirm this is true? Or is this from your rosy-picture conservative talk shows again? A Google News search did not find any articles about companies that have already retooled and are producing medical supplies. 3M has ramped up mask production to 100 million per month, which is around 20 per month for each medical field related worker in the US. The actual need is closer to 20 per day. A number of companies have announced plans to produce masks, but only small ones I've never heard of. My wife plans to make more surgical masks for the local hospital, which recently provided an actual sewing template for what will work best for them. It includes a pocket for a filter insert (you can find them on Amazon, but they're out of stock), which is kind of interesting since it means they have N95 filters but no masks to slip them into. The only thing you said that can be verified is that test kit production is increasing, but I already knew and I expect everyone else did to. Because it's true. Which is why it was reported in the news. Which you don't read, instead preferring conservative entertainment programs purporting to be news.
Cuomo is getting many of those kits and that's why he can tell that the number of cases is apparently doubling every day though perhaps the tests are simply picking up cases that have existed for some time. Though the situation has improved, the number of test kits in New York is still so meager that they can only test those with symptoms. Until recently many displaying symptoms were turned down for the test, contributing to the problem.
Again I note that the reason they are particularly in short supply of all kinds of medical necessities in New York is that they are one of the states that adopted the ridiculous law that limited how many of such supplies hospitals and other health services were allowed to buy. You are again promoting a conspiracy theory that has no evidence.
The Left is truly a scourge on this country. I think the scourge is the person making things up and then casting aspersions.
The liberal crap they put in the stimulus package was disgusting partisan opportunism and it only serviced their own destructive goals of changing America into a third world socialist swamp. I think saner heads prevailed at least to the extent of getting some of that removed. Trump is trying to do what the country needs, support the businesses that hire the workers that make the country prosper while the Left tries to destroy the source of prosperity. This is just your usual claptrap. Do you have anything specific the left did that you object to?
I think it's Budweiser that is putting out hand sanitizer and I hear that is also underway already. Let the world note that Faith has said something true. It isn't clear that production has actually begun, but if it hasn't already then it should be soon. Many other beer makers and distilleries are doing the same.
I can't find this at Google, but then Google is another Leftist destroyer of America and do their best to suppress anything good that the Trump administration does, same as all our corrupted media these days. What do you mean you can't find it at Google? Can you truly be so incompetent? Go to https://news.google.com or Google, doesn't matter which one, and enter "budweiser hand sanitizer". You'll get links to literally dozens of articles. Sheesh! --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Interferon alfa-2b - Wikipedia was developed by Biogen, an American company. I think the term "recombinant" describes the technique employed to create it.
--Percy
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Curious. There are several articles about this drug, also involving Charles Weissmann at the University of Zurich, but with Cuba being the first to isolate it.
Doing a search for Interferon alfa-2b the top stories are about Cuba http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/...it-combat-covid-19-_190254Cuba’s Contribution to Combatting COVID-19 - CounterPunch.org Page gone - MSN The fourth is about the drug: https://www.drugs.com/mtm/interferon-alfa-2b.html What I see from the articles is Cuban doctors working with
quote: Cuba proceeded to produce large quantities and used it to combat dengue. Even still I see no mention of it's use in the US even though it is proven effective in China and elsewhere, and that is the issue at question. Enjoy.by our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1046 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined: |
Whatever THAT was was certainly a bad idea, but what was it? Is Chloroquine PHOSPHATE the same thing I've been talking about? It is, but the ews says they drank fish tank cleaner. You can get almost pure chloroquine phosphate for fish tanks, but god knows if that's what this was. No idea on the dosage either - maybe they drank 50 times the amount you'd include as a medicine. Moral of the story - don't drink fish tank cleaner. Idiots.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
Bloomberg is reporting that hydroxychloroquine is no more effective than the standard treatment.
The study involved just 30 patients. Of the 15 patients given the malaria drug, 13 tested negative for the coronavirus after a week of treatment. Of the 15 patients who didn’t get hydroxychloroquine, 14 tested negative for the virus. Four patients given the medicine developed diarrhea and signs of potential liver damage, compared with three getting conventional treatment.
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