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Faith 
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Message 5586 of 5796 (874193)
03-26-2020 12:21 PM
Reply to: Message 5583 by JonF
03-26-2020 12:11 PM


That quote is what I've heard, that Obama didn't declare a national emergency until October after I think it was 10,000 had already died. Perhaps there are reasonable explanations for that but the point is that Trump did act very quickly and yet he's not credited with that.

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Message 5588 of 5796 (874195)
03-26-2020 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 5585 by JonF
03-26-2020 12:16 PM


Re: It was the WuHan virus to everybody until Trump used it, then it was racism.
The media called it the Wu Han flu without anybody objecting. The only objection was to Trump's calling it the China flu. This is hypocrisy. And it's not racism no matter who says it. That's just the usual PC smear, trotted out for Trump but not for all the others who used the term. If in retrospect you believe it to be racism then point to all the others, but you won't of course because there's no benefit except for calling Trump a racist.

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Message 5592 of 5796 (874199)
03-26-2020 12:44 PM
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03-26-2020 12:35 PM


Trump banned travel from China somewhere around Jan 30.
Trump did think it was under control and the reason he kept emphasizing that was what he considered to be the dangerous hysteria the media were putting out. So far it still isn't a major problem in the country though we know it could eventually get there. And what he said about the seasonal rise in temperature slowing it down is still to be discovered. Trump is unfortunately not careful about what he says, often overstating things, but it is clear from your list that he was responding to the hysteria by wanting to calm things down. Now here we are most of us in quarantine just waiting. The numbers are going up but not as fast as might have been expected by some.
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Faith 
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Message 5594 of 5796 (874202)
03-26-2020 1:00 PM
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03-26-2020 12:55 PM


Of course the rate is very high and we're just waiting to see how high it goes.
I just get tired of the kneejerk blaming of Trump when he's been doing really quite a creditable job. Obama's speech was very nice by the way but did he have to cope with a media hysteria trying to blame him for everything including the virus itself? Uh uh.
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Faith 
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Message 5598 of 5796 (874206)
03-26-2020 1:45 PM
Reply to: Message 5597 by frako
03-26-2020 1:10 PM


Oh don't be ridiculous. It all depends on the situation with the virus when we will be free to go to church or anywhere else and nobody has said otherwise. Trump HOPES we can leave our confinement by Easter, and so do I.
\However, your numbers are artificial. There is no way to know at this point. We are also tallying people recovering and there are really only a very few hot spots that will probably have to remain in quarantine longer than other areas. Nobody knows where this is going to go in the next few weeks.
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Faith 
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Message 5611 of 5796 (874279)
03-28-2020 9:53 AM


Disappointment in Trump from the Right Side
Forcing a company like GM to produce ventilators is over the top. They volunteered to do it and then it seems had to pull back from their initial promise, and it's not clear why. Instead of the original 24,000 they offiered they pulled back to only 6,000 and said it was going to cost more too. We haven't heard their explanation as far as I know, all we've heard is that Trump is now going to use government power to require of them what they seem to be saying is beyond their ability. he called them unpatriotic although they had volunteered to help. Apparently turned out to be more than they could pull off but now they are being forced, Communist style, to do it anyway. There's something wrong with this picture.
Then there was the big complaint about a Congressman named Massey who was objecting to the House's voting with mere yeas and nays on such an enormous bill as this $2.2 Trillion relief bill. Massey wanted the normal constitutionally required roll call vote so that it would be clear to constituents who voted for and who against this enormous outlay of money. And Trump joined in the denouncing of this man who was asking for normal accountability in the House, also caling him unpatriotic. There is something wrong with this picture.
Trump's signing the bill at all is hard to defend. It's depressing to hear the rationalizations for accepting the adding on of purely partisan projects, such as Planned Parenthood, NPR, Kennedy Center, things that should be separately voted on at a different time. It's depressing to think they can cram stuff like that down our throats so easily, and depressing to think Trump felt he had to accept whatever was left of it after they got rid of some of it. Depressing that Republican senators accepted it, depressing that at least one of them added his own pork to it. Although they managed to pare down some of it, the final result still has money it for causes dear to the Left that have nothing whatever to do with economic loss due to the virus. The point is supposed to be aiding people who have lost their income due to the quarantining. Such pork should not be allowed in the first place and one caller into one of the conservative talk shows said he's working on a bill to prevent it, making all spending bills clearly defined for particular purposes. This should have been done decades ago, I wonder what its chances are now.
Is Trump giving in to the wrong advisers or what?
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Faith 
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Message 5615 of 5796 (874294)
03-28-2020 5:19 PM
Reply to: Message 5614 by Percy
03-28-2020 3:43 PM


Re: Disappointment in Trump from the Right Side
Gosh, Planned Parenthood isn't killing babies during the pandemic so we have to make sure they get paid anyway? So many Leftist projects positively turn my stomach.

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Message 5617 of 5796 (874297)
03-28-2020 5:31 PM
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03-28-2020 5:24 PM


Re: Disappointment in Trump from the Right Side
I read his post but not the links. And what do "STDs and contraceptives and other related services" have to do with helping out businesses that have lost their income due to the virus? Nothing. That sort of thing does not belong in this sort of bill.

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Faith 
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Message 5619 of 5796 (874301)
03-28-2020 5:58 PM
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03-28-2020 5:44 PM


Re: Disappointment in Trump from the Right Side
Oh good grief, I knew some of the pork got thrown out so why mention PP at all if it was thrown out? It didn't belog there, it's out, great.

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Message 5623 of 5796 (874313)
03-29-2020 1:56 AM
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03-28-2020 6:32 PM


Re: Disappointment in Trump from the Right Side
It was one of the long "wish list" Pelosi wanted added to the bill. It was on her original list. I didn't know what got taken off and what left. So apparently it got left off. How could it be "penalized?" It could be included or left off. It was left off. Rightly. Some others were kept. Wrongly.

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Message 5624 of 5796 (874314)
03-29-2020 1:58 AM
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03-28-2020 6:10 PM


Surely that graph merely represents the increase in testing.

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Message 5645 of 5796 (874578)
04-06-2020 11:22 AM
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04-06-2020 11:02 AM


Re: John Oliver on OAN misinformation idiocy
I suffered through a few minutes of that, may go back to it after I start breathing again.
Never heard of OAN before, seems like we finally have a news outlet on the right that does what the dozens of leftist news outlets have been doing forever, lobbing softballs at their favorites. It's a bit cringeworthy I'll give you that but on the other hand I'm glad we have one on our side to counteract the army on the left. Which of course Oliver manages not to notice. Golly I wonder why.
So I got through the "China virus" part. That Trump was ever attacked for using that term is just the usual case of Leftist PC character assassination, though it is a term that EVERBODY used until it became unfashionable, "Wuhan virus" being the most commonly used by Left and Right and everybody in between at the beginning. They count on the short memories of the audience to get away with such evil crap. But of course Oliver is one of them and I can't listen any more at the moment.
Oh and it was a DEMOCRAT who wore blackface in college (Northam), but Oliver in good Lefty style twists it against Trump as the Left so often palms off its corruptions on its enemies.
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Message 5647 of 5796 (874581)
04-06-2020 11:52 AM
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04-06-2020 11:49 AM


Re: John Oliver on OAN misinformation idiocy
Oh you poor Lefty you. The meanings that are "clear" to you are 99% NOT his meanings. Or in the case of the "China virus" they are commonly used terms UNTIL Trump uses them, at which point they become racist.
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Faith 
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Message 5653 of 5796 (874660)
04-07-2020 5:37 PM
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04-07-2020 12:21 PM


Re: John Oliver on OAN misinformation idiocy
What an amazing piece of semantic distraction. China was the source of it, and its rapid spread was due to their typically Communist need to hide it until it had already spread. They killed the first whistleblower after denouncing him for daring to suggest there was anything wrong at all, they allowed some huge number into Wuhan for a New Moon celebration after they knew the virus was there, they allowed millions to leave the area too..
But I understand. A violent Communist regime is always to be defended over Donald Trump no matter what weird mental gymnastics you have to do..
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Faith 
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Message 5655 of 5796 (874664)
04-07-2020 7:25 PM
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04-07-2020 7:23 PM


Re: John Oliver on OAN misinformation idiocy
That would be a silly thing to say. It was the Chinese government that covered it up and allowed it to spread, a government over a rather large piece of real estate. What does size have to do with it? Just that Trump isn't allowed to speak in generalities, you must must must make him guilty of wrongdoing for not speaking according to YOUR rules. Which describes most of the endless accusations against him.
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