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Percy
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Message 301 of 955 (874287)
03-28-2020 2:43 PM
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03-28-2020 1:05 PM


Re: Take Care with Isopropyl Alcohol
Coragyps writes:
It’s odd that a Budweiser brewery would be making hand sanitizer- one wouldn’t think that they would have the equipment to make anything with over 11 or 12% alcohol. Any distillery could do that, just by fiddling with their process, but a brewery? Odd.
Too bad 151-proof Bacardi got taken off the market.
--Percy

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Message 302 of 955 (874289)
03-28-2020 3:19 PM
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03-28-2020 1:05 PM


Re: Take Care with Isopropyl Alcohol
There is still EverClear and RicoBay White Rum. $14.99/L and in stock.
Edited by jar, : add image

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Message 303 of 955 (874291)
03-28-2020 3:47 PM


St. Louis in 1918
What happens if you listen to the complainers and raise restrictions too early.

  
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Message 304 of 955 (874292)
03-28-2020 4:04 PM


Latest from the Orange Menace
Trump asks CDC to issue 'strong travel advisory' for New York, New Jersey, Connecticut - CNNPolitics
I suggest he build Walls. Big awesome walls bettern any walls ever built. Put folk back to work; hire a few VoPo while he's at it.

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Message 305 of 955 (874299)
03-28-2020 5:39 PM
Reply to: Message 290 by Percy
03-28-2020 6:42 AM


Re: The Latest US Coronavirus Graph
Its been 15 days since the quarantine, could be we are seeing its effects or Donald is stopping virus reporting again.

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What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.

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Coragyps
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Message 306 of 955 (874306)
03-28-2020 6:49 PM
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03-28-2020 2:43 PM


Re: Take Care with Isopropyl Alcohol
Oh - I hadn’t thought about Budweiser’s considerable expertise at putting stuff in small bottles and getting it distributed to stores. That’s more necessary by far right now than finding the stuff to fill the bottles with.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 307 of 955 (874307)
03-28-2020 7:06 PM


Time take OFF the gloves. Just test people damn it
If the medical community understands that the deaths double every week, due to pathetically few tests, then there should be tests done NOW, regardless of the desire to save PPE.
The government failed to have masks and gloves stockpiled. The die have been cast on that one.
Just test everything and everyone ASAP. Do it so we can, as a matter of PRINCIPLE, do what we could and should have done if we somehow had a competent government and media all along. Then quarantine the positive cases.
We now have to operate on ideals. Even though the situation is far from ideal. I know I am going to just suggest we all live the myth that our political class failure is not so. The tests must be taken and just so we can fantasize about what it could have been if we prepared for the situation we are now in.
Open up all businesses and test everybody as much as possible, gloves or no gloves. Just test people. This is where we should be right now and it is sad we have a media that won't admit that they were not at all watchdogs on actual threats. The media needs so have a MEA CULPA on the Russian hoax crap. CNN and MSNBC, can lead the way, since they were so shitty in distracting us from actual and REAL dangers.

  
Percy
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Message 308 of 955 (874308)
03-28-2020 9:00 PM
Reply to: Message 305 by frako
03-28-2020 5:39 PM


Re: The Latest US Coronavirus Graph
frako writes:
Its been 15 days since the quarantine, could be we are seeing its effects or Donald is stopping virus reporting again.
This morning the growth in number of infections looked like they were slowing, and tonight the growth still appears to be slowing. It's still too early to be sure, I'd want to see two more days of data, but it's a hopeful sign. For the benefit of others let me say that growth slowing is analogous to accelerating more slowly in a car - your speed continues to increase, but at a slower rate.
For comparison we can look at the Italy data since curve-wise we're about 10 days behind them. Their mitigation efforts seem to have turned the curve from exponential to roughly linear beginning about 10 days ago. This daily increase bar graph for the US says we're still exponential:
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 309 of 955 (874310)
03-28-2020 10:16 PM


Masks Again
More Americans Should Probably Wear Masks for Protection - The New York Times
Ya think!
If you’re going anywhere there are people, and like especially a grocery store, WEAR A MASK.
Most people can’t get masks, so suck up to someone who sews (or marry one) and give them one of the templates off the web. Pay them $100 - it’s your life at stake here.
Percy

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 310 of 955 (874311)
03-28-2020 10:42 PM
Reply to: Message 309 by Percy
03-28-2020 10:16 PM


Re: Masks Again
I tell people that it is best to get the virus right away due to a few months of immunity AND TEMPORARY VENTILATOR access before the swamp. No ventilators will be there for most soon.
I have a job loaded with asbestos type dust and had lots of my own purchased masks until the last week. I boughtvthem over the years and months. I gave 4hem all away recently. Mostly to kids living bear me. I still have a fair amount of gloves just to help me keep my cracked nuckles and fingers moist at night with petro jelly under the latex.
I don't trust this mythic downward spiral curve anymore. The only way is up, up, and away.
Tests are the only thing saving us from a disaster. Tests and tests alone. Followed by quarantine city for the positives.

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Phat
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Message 311 of 955 (874312)
03-29-2020 1:48 AM
Reply to: Message 290 by Percy
03-28-2020 6:42 AM


Re: The Latest US Coronavirus Graph
Keep us updated on this graph.

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Message 312 of 955 (874316)
03-29-2020 2:25 AM
Reply to: Message 299 by Percy
03-28-2020 12:14 PM


Re: China's responsibility
But this is just part of your effort to justify calling it the China virus or Wuhan virus and to blame China for the pandemic.
Funny, and here I thought it was just that China IS responsible for the pandemic and that's why I believe it to be so. It started in China and they suppressed the information, allowing it to spread. They are very definitely responsible for it, and in my opinion should make reprations for its destruction of so many countries and the economy.

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Percy
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Message 313 of 955 (874317)
03-29-2020 7:04 AM
Reply to: Message 290 by Percy
03-28-2020 6:42 AM


Re: The Latest US Coronavirus Graph
Here's the latest graph showing US infections rising above 120,000:
And here is the latest log graph. A straight line upward means exponentially increasing, downward means exponentially decreasing, and flat neither increasing or decreasing. The steeper the slope up or down the greater the exponential increase or decrease. It seems to contain strong evidence of slowing of the exponential increase over the past ten days:
I'm sure White House health advisers have seen graphs like this, debated whether to show them to Trump, and then decided no. He'd either not understand them at all, or he would misunderstand them and misinform the public, or worse, use them to make bad decisions.
And here are the actual numbers against my projected numbers. The actual numbers are falling further behind my projections, further evidence of slowing growth (but still growth). If this holds up another day I'll revise my projections:
DateProjected Number
Infections by Evening
Actual Number
Infections
3/27/2020109,000104,837
3/28/2020144,000124686
3/29/2020193,000
3/30/2020262,000
3/31/2020359,000
4/1/2020495,000
4/2/2020685,000
4/3/2020951,000
4/4/20201,323,000
4/4/20201,695,000
4/4/20202,216,000
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 314 of 955 (874318)
03-29-2020 7:25 AM


A scathing indictment of the Trump administration's handling of the coronavirus pandemic: The missing six weeks: how Trump failed the biggest test of his life | Donald Trump | The Guardian
--Percy

  
Percy
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Message 315 of 955 (874319)
03-29-2020 7:51 AM
Reply to: Message 312 by Faith
03-29-2020 2:25 AM


Re: China's responsibility
Faith writes:
Funny, and here I thought it was just that China IS responsible for the pandemic and that's why I believe it to be so. It started in China and they suppressed the information, allowing it to spread. They are very definitely responsible for it, and in my opinion should make reparations for its destruction of so many countries and the economy.
You're ignoring previous things I've said to you. In Message 5605, a reply to you, I said, "China should be condemned for any actions they took or failed to take that left the world less time to prepare." You did not reply. It would be impossible to repeat everything you've ignored in every message because you ignore so much.
So repeating, China should be condemned, not blamed, and then we must move on. The course you and Trump are charting only increases political friction and decreases international cooperation when we need it most.
There was sufficient time to address the viral threat. South Korea and the US both saw their first case on the same day, January 20th. One country addressed the problem competently and immediately, the other incompetently while dilly-dallying. Here's their logarithmic graphs:
South Korea: Left; United States: Right
Korea has already managed to nearly flatten their curve, the US isn't even close. Trump is trying to deflect blame from his administration to China. Sure, China left us less time than we would have wanted, but we did have sufficient time were there the political will and competent management.
--Percy
Edited by Percy, : Typo.

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