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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Percy Member Posts: 22495 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Yes, we know: make error, defend error endlessly, repeat.
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Percy Member Posts: 22495 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: Surely that graph merely represents the increase in testing. Your biggest problem is not knowing what you do not know, causing you to continually step in it. You may now begin your endless insistence of how correct you are. --Percy
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Surely that graph merely represents the increase in testing. And testing shows the actual extent of the problem. Basics Faith, try to learn the minimal basics.
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JonF Member (Idle past 195 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Trump Tweets Orders To GM To Make Ventilators At A Factory They Sold Last week
quote: Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Surely that graph merely represents the increase in testing. Do you realize that your comment means we are in worse shape than if it is actually measuring an increase in infections? Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Percy Member Posts: 22495 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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RAZD writes: Do you realize that your comment means we are in worse shape than if it is actually measuring an increase in infections? That would require a little intuitive feel for math. If you provide some hypothetical numbers for illustration it will only provide a focal point for confusion. Percentages, ratios, slopes, exponentials, it all may as well not exist. If required even addition will be denied. "24,000 more tested positive today? Those are just hypotheticals. No one really knows. It's just the evil left trying to stir up hysteria. They turn my stomach." --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22495 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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The opening of ABC's This Week had a good summary of Trump's ever changing pronouncements:
These inconstant and constantly moving stances stem from Trump letting himself be driven by what his social media and poll numbers are telling him. Whatever the numbers were yesterday drives what he says today. There's no behind-the-scenes discussion and consensus to deliver a consistent message and strategy, just Trump acting as his own Chief of Staff, health adviser, economic adviser, etc. His cabinet and array of advisory committees are not there to render advice and expertise but merely to echo and support the president's ever changing positions and try to figure out what to do to implement the ever changing story of the day. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22495 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Chuck Todd's first guest on today's Meet the Press is Doctor Deborah Birx of the White House Coronavirus Task Force, a new addition to the task force just a week or so ago. Birx built a reputation for directness, forthrightness and honesty while working on HIV. Has she contracted the Trump virus and become overtaken by lies and misrepresentations? I don't know, I haven't watched yet, I'm going to hit "play" right now. I will type here what I see and hear.
She was a little confusing at the very beginning. She made a strong and obviously accurate statement that all states and especially all metropolitan areas will be affected, but left Todd confused because she seemed to end in mid-point by referring to a website and then just stopping. But she just said that we have "full capacity for full diagnosis." That's just a flat out lie. We do not have enough tests to test everyone, or even a statistical sample of everyone. And tests are slow, taking anywhere from a few days to a week. We keep hearing in the news about very fast tests, but the only first person reports I've seen of people who have taken the test is that it is difficult to be considered serious enough to get the test, and that it takes more than a few days for the results to come back. She next describes the necessity for going out to low infection rate areas to conduct full diagnosis so that they have a handle on the problem. She is correct, this is very important. After describing the problem of the states bidding against other states and the federal government for ventilators and PPE, Todd asked a very specific question: "Is the federal government going to take over all procurement and disbursement of medical equipment or not?" Birx did not answer the question. By her non-answer the real answer is clear: The states are on their own and it's a free-for-all out there. The federal government will not be providing any central coordination. Todd gave her another chance, politely repeating the question: "You sort of overlooked the question about, is the federal government going to take over at least the procurement and the distribution of things going forward?" Again sidestepping the question, Birx said the federal government is looking at the problem, but that the states should be looking at where all equipment is (such as ventilators) so that they can get maximum use from them. The message to the states is obvious: What you got is likely all you're gonna get, the federal government is unlikely to help in the time available, you'll have to deal with it. The interview is probably going to continue for a few more minutes, but it is already clear: Birx has caught the Trump virus. Birx dares not come out and say the states are on their own because Trump would move her off the daily briefing podium and start badmouthing her. He'd start calling her the horrible woman who screwed up HIV programs around the world (her previous job). Thoreau said that the place for an honest man under an unjust government was in prison, and analogously the proper place for people like Dr. Birx, if they are truly honest, is outside of government. Dr. Fauci, when asked about being on the podium while Trump spreads medical misinformation, rhetorically responds, "What would you have me do?" The answer is, "Resign." That's what honest people do. Do not help this man spread his lies and misinformation. He has figured out that the pandemic is a wonderful presidential campaign opportunity for him, amplifying his megaphone and virtually silencing the Democratic candidates. By standing behind him on the podium you are lending him credibility he should not have because his information is false or misleading. Walk away. Better yet, run. Birx requested that when the virus arrives in their metropolitan area that people stay in place instead of going elsewhere because that just spreads the virus around the country. She describes her job as preparing data so that she can make the most informed recommendations possible to the president. She doesn't yet understand that he only cares about his social media and poll numbers. --Percy
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Surely that graph merely represents the increase in testing. No, not quite. Think about it. We count the number of cases by the symptoms they display and, where they are not presenting symptoms, by the results of testing. Certain, as testing becomes more widespread, the number of cases will increase. That only makes sense.
HOWEVER, that is not what's happening -- or rather any increase due to asymptomatic cases being discovered through testing is so miniscule as to be nearly non-existent. First, we are still very far behind in testing. We started far too late, in large part because this administration rejected the already proven WHO test in favor of developing our own test from scratch (further delayed by problems with the first iteration of our own test). And once we did get our own test working, production of test kits is still lagging very far behind the demand and the need for those tests. Second, we are biasing the results of testing by preselecting whom to test. Because there are not enough test kits to go around, medical services have to choose which individuals get the test. Therefore, in order to get tested you must be displaying symptoms -- no symptoms, no test. And even then, it usually takes a full week to get your test results since the private testing labs are swamped. That all results in no testing of the broader population which is where we should be testing. And the test results that we do get only confirm cases that we have already counted through their symptoms. Therefore, what little increase of testing that we've been able to do has almost no impact on the number of cases tallied. I highly recommend watching Gov. Cuomo's daily briefings, because he goes through the numbers and the different curves and tries to explain them as well as he can. One point he made is that we are behind the curve with respect to the pandemic, trying to play catch-up. Where we need to be is in front of the curve ready to deal with whatever the virus throws at us. Edited by dwise1, : "services have to" -- inexcusable for an English speaker with German training
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JonF Member (Idle past 195 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Coronavirus: FDA authorizes Abbott Labs' 5-minute COVID-19 test
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14174dm Member (Idle past 1136 days) Posts: 161 From: Cincinnati OH Joined:
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National Geographic has a story on the impacts on timing and completeness of social distance on the Spanish Flu death rates.
How some cities "flattened the curve" The little charts are tricky to read. You need to note where the brown box of social isolation starts relative to the steep climb in death rate. The bigger charts for Philadelphia and New York show the differences. Philadelphia started regulation when the death rate was already climbing and over 50 deaths per 100,000. New York started when the rate was just beginning to rise and barely registering per 100,000. For us today the question is when to end social distancing. End too early and you could get an even worse death rate from the restart of the epidemic.
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JonF Member (Idle past 195 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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Louisiana Governor: 'Never A Hint' From Feds That Mardi Gras Posed Virus Risk | Crooks and Liars
quote:Things were well under control. Unless, of course, you listened to the experts. |
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
...for spreading misinformation. The latest video was apparently the last straw.
In the video in question, Jones said that "everybody dies under the new world order except maybe one tenth of one percent that believe they're going to merge with machines and have made deals with this inter-dimensional thing that gave them all the technology. ... You can't make a deal with these aliens, OK, that the Bible tells you about and ever get off the planet." Elsewhere in the video, Jones claims that natural anti-virals exist to treat the novel coronavirus. Ars Technica Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Fix link - there was a space between '[url'= and 'https:'
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JonF Member (Idle past 195 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
.Pentagon says it still hasn't sent ventilators because it hasn't been told where to send them
quote:The White House is obsessed with ratings, Kushner-Pence groups Infighting, and packed churches at Easter. Nobody's steering the ship. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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