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Sarah Bellum
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Message 2449 of 3207 (870011)
01-10-2020 6:33 PM
Reply to: Message 2440 by ringo
01-09-2020 10:43 AM


Re: No evidence = irrational
In message 2446 you did a creditable job of ducking.

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Message 2450 of 3207 (870012)
01-10-2020 6:35 PM
Reply to: Message 2444 by Tangle
01-10-2020 4:04 AM


Re: No evidence = irrational
But can it be supported by rational argument?

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Message 2454 of 3207 (870021)
01-10-2020 10:33 PM
Reply to: Message 2445 by ringo
01-10-2020 10:41 AM


Re: Protestant is Evil
Indeed. For example, one may rely on the advice of a friend who has a reputation of good judgment and make a wrong choice (rational, but wrong) but on the other hand one might base one's choice on a horoscope and get lucky (right, but irrational).

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Message 2455 of 3207 (870022)
01-10-2020 10:45 PM
Reply to: Message 2446 by ringo
01-10-2020 10:54 AM


Re: No evidence = irrational
Yes, just as sentences can be true or false one concept may be illogical while a different concept may be logical. If you're saying that there are some concepts of a deity that are rational and some that are irrational I suppose one could stretch the concept into meaninglessness (People in the 1950s were said to have worshipped Juan Peron). But that is merely dropping down the proverbial rabbit hole.

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Message 2456 of 3207 (870023)
01-10-2020 10:53 PM
Reply to: Message 2452 by ringo
01-10-2020 7:05 PM


Re: No evidence = irrational
I wrote "logical lacunae" to refer to gaps in logic. Logic that has gaps has flaws, does it not?

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Message 2457 of 3207 (870024)
01-10-2020 11:01 PM
Reply to: Message 2451 by ringo
01-10-2020 7:02 PM


Re: No evidence = irrational
To say that, despite the evidence it's not solar radiation and the Coriolis effect but Poseidon who brings the great storms, is not logical.

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Message 2458 of 3207 (870025)
01-10-2020 11:09 PM
Reply to: Message 2453 by ringo
01-10-2020 7:09 PM


Re: No evidence = irrational
Saying "There is no simple yes or no answer" is a fair answer.
For a start.
But not following up, simply leaving it at "there can be sound reasoning behind the concept of deities" without giving us some whys is leaving the answer incomplete (ducking).

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Message 2460 of 3207 (870048)
01-11-2020 7:56 AM
Reply to: Message 2459 by Tangle
01-11-2020 3:26 AM


Re: No evidence = irrational
quote:
But the existence of rational arguments for something doesn't make that something true
But the point is that the arguments aren't rational, they are all pure wish-fulfillment or a vague sort of "How could all this wondrous etc. etc. etc. without a designer?" It's emotional, not logical.

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Message 2470 of 3207 (874825)
04-10-2020 8:59 PM
Reply to: Message 2467 by Faith
01-13-2020 5:29 AM


Re: No evidence = irrational
God only hates divorce if that's your personal god's belief. It's my understanding (though I'm not an expert) that religions such as Judaism and some Protestant sects consider marriage a contract or a rite and not a sacrament.
But anyway...
There have been plenty of tall tales down the years, from the Enuma Elish creation myth of the Babylonians through the journeys of Odysseus, the horn of Joshua, Paul Bunyan and the people scooped up by aliens and returned to draw oddly similar B-movie sketches of their abductors. Many people have sworn to the authenticity of some of these tales.

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Message 2474 of 3207 (874835)
04-10-2020 9:43 PM
Reply to: Message 2471 by Faith
04-10-2020 9:00 PM


Re: Divorce
Jesus apparently disagreed with Moses, a problem, wouldn't you think?
quote:
Matthew 19:6-9 What therefore God hath joined together, let no man put asunder. They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery...
But anyway...doesn't this show Jesus agrees there are grounds for divorce?

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 2481 of 3207 (874879)
04-11-2020 9:29 AM
Reply to: Message 2476 by Faith
04-10-2020 11:45 PM


Re: Divorce
By this aren't you saying that you and other religions disagree on whether or not "God hates divorce"? What bible passage are you using to justify your disagreement with these other religions?

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 2482 of 3207 (874880)
04-11-2020 9:34 AM
Reply to: Message 2475 by dwise1
04-10-2020 10:46 PM


Re: Divorce
I've always thought that religions are vast piles of sentences saying an enormous variety of not necessarily consistent things, so somebody could claim whatever they want and pretend to have divine right behind them.

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Message 2484 of 3207 (880412)
08-05-2020 9:58 AM
Reply to: Message 891 by Phat
06-30-2019 3:51 PM


Re: Ancestral Sin Inheritance
But you certainly shouldn't be punished for what someone else did.

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Message 2485 of 3207 (880425)
08-05-2020 6:46 PM
Reply to: Message 1058 by Son Goku
07-05-2019 3:02 AM


Re: chances
You wrote
quote:
The universe doesn't operate like Conway's Game of Life where you get complexity from quite simple basics.
Simple things like Newton's laws can result in things that baffle supercomputers, like the trajectories of asteroids in the Solar System over the long term.
But my point was not that the universe is simple, but that complex things can arise from simplicity, so there is no need to postulate a creator deity to explain the universe.

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Message 2486 of 3207 (880426)
08-05-2020 6:56 PM
Reply to: Message 1198 by Phat
07-08-2019 9:27 AM


Re: Theology, Philosophy, and Facts vs Fiction
That makes sense.

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