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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
And, I’ll note that it’s New York where the problem started getting really bad, not San Francisco. Even though the earliest reported cases were in Washington State, California, and New York, Washington and California took action much earlier than New York. For that matter, I recall that San Francisco ordered a lock-down very early on. I heard of Seattle implementing measures around the same time, and the rest of California following suit. As a result, California has been able to slow the spread which should flatten out the curve and keep the case load from overwhelming our hospitals, which is what we're seeing play out in New York City. My understanding is that Seattle has had similar success. It's not over yet and it will get worse, but hopefully not much worse.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
... and that the label "chinavirus" was misleading, leading to racist violence against chinese-americans. Does that mean that we should be seeing more anti-Mexican violence around Cinco de Mayo? Because of Corona beer?
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
A growing feature on Facebook are reports of pastors and others who denounce corona virus as a hoax and engage in packed gatherings ... who have now died of the virus.
Should their life insurance companies all refuse to pay on their policies because they had committed suicide?
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
Joke's on him! Antibiotics don't work on a virus.
Now OTOH, a vaccine ... . Though he does have a point about the virus being so much smarter ... than Trump.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5
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Said big mistake to close the schools because children need to be exposed to develop immunity, that the people who should be protected are the elderly and others known to be vulnerable. That's the kind of right-wingnut nonsense that's going to get people killed. Everybody who has ever had children knows full well what effective disease vectors they are. So, your plan is to send the kids out to get exposed to COVID-19 and bring it back into the house, infecting their parents and, most of all, their grandparents. You want to have them infect the very people you hypocritically claim to want to protect.
Levin was also talking about how the numbers of infections and deaths are terribly inflated, how other causes of death are often not distinguished from the virus, ... Actually, the numbers of infections and deaths due to COVID-19 are undercounted. Because we are failing miserably to test for the disease. Because we are not testing patients unless they show definite symptoms. If the patient infected with COVID-19 recovers before he got too far gone for them to ration a test out to him, then he doesn't get counted as having been infected with it. And if he dies before the results of the test come back positive, then his death is not counted as having been due to COVID-19.
... how people who need other kinds of medical attention aren't getting it because everything is dedicated to the virus.. That is true. But the reason why everything is dedicated to the virus is because it is a massive public health emergency which is overwhelming our healthcare systems. Also, it is so contagious that anyone going into the hospital for other problems face a very real danger of becoming infected. Every hospital would need to be very strictly segregated between COVID and non-COVID, which in some facilities would be impossible and in other facilities doable except for the lack of sufficient PPE (personal protection equipment) -- protocol calls for PPE to be discarded and replaced after each patient, but since replacement PPE is virtually non-existent that cannot be done. Also, Levin is conflating two very different kinds of "other kinds of medical attention". Elective treatment is the kind of medical attention that is being postponed until this Scheisturm is past us -- if it can wait, then it needs to wait.
However, medical emergencies are still emergencies that cannot wait and will not wait. Part of the plan is to establish medical facilities that will handle non-COVID emergencies. That is why the hospital ships, USNS Mercy and USNS Comfort, have been deployed specifically to handle non-COVID cases. And the US Army Corps of Engineers has finally been deployed to construct temporary medical facilities -- primarily for handling non-COVID emergency cases, but a number of them have been converted to handle COVID cases in response to overflow at COVID facilities. Lt. Gen. Todd Semonite, Chief of Engineers and commanding general of the Army Corps of Engineers, has been interviewed by Rachel Maddow among others. In his second appearance, she introduced him by saying that they had never seen that kind of viewer response to his first appearance. I have absolutely no doubt that you will refuse to watch him, because we all know how utterly feckless you are. This is for the normals here: First appearance, 26 Mar 2020 -- Army Corps of Engineers Gives Options To States Facing COVID Crush | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC:
Second appearance, 07 Apr 2020 -- Army Corps Of Engineers Adapts To demands COVID-19 Puts On States | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC:
LtGen Todd Semonite typifies true leadership. He has a mission and his laser-focus goal is to complete that mission. He knows what is at stake, so he knows full well the importance of his mission. He immediately takes charge in order to complete that mission. He doesn't care who you are, what your political leanings are, nor even what you personally think of him, he is a professional and he will work with you in all ways possible in order to complete the mission. Because the mission is of utmost importance. BTW, the mission is to deal with this pandemic emergency, preserving as many lives as possible, and preserving the United States of America. Compare that to Cadet Bonespurs. Trump has no mission outside of his own self-serving -- he does not care about LtGen Semonite's mission except for how it might serve him personally (eg, preserve his chances for re-election by keeping him from looking like the total failure that he is). He refuses to take charge, in large part because his mission is not to deal with this national (and global) crisis, but rather his own self-preservation (as well as whatever profiteering he can sneak in) -- but also because even Trump must realize that he actually is totally incompetent and has absolutely no leadership qualities. And since his only mission is self-service, he cares very much who kisses his ass more fervently and who doesn't and he rewards or punishes each one accordingly. Absolute and complete lack of professionalism. Because, in Trump's view, Trump is of utmost importance. Comparing Trump and LtGen Semonite, the contrast could not possibly be more stark. In this national and international emergency, which one would you rather have in charge? BTW, Faith. Thank you for confirming to us what a complete and utter right-nutwing job Mark Levin is. What a fucking idiot! Now we know with complete confidence to disregard any of his destructive garbage that you might choose to foist upon us.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
that the phelobotomist at Roseland hospital knows her business But just what exactly is a phelobotomist's business? A phelobotomist draws a blood sample. Does a phelobotomist also analyze that blood sample? Or is that part of the lab work? I just Messaged my daughter-in-law, a physician's assistant, with that question. Could take a day or two or few to get that answer. But in the meantime my guess is that it's not the phelobotomists, but rather the lab technicians who are going to analyze those blood samples who will determine what antibodies are present. So then just what the fuck is your point, Faith? Superstition and dumb-fuckery over science?
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
Trump has been following the experts that hve been wrong. They just keep changing their numbers. Other experts are criticizing them but nobody listens to the others. Typical creationist idiocy! Of course, trying to explain anything about reality will be completely lost on you, so this is for the normals, the lurkers. The basic data processing paradigm which is used to design data processing processes is that you have certain kinds of outputs that you expect and you have certain inputs that you have to work with, so your task as a programmer is to come up with the algorithms and processes that will convert the inputs into the outputs. In a static situation, that is simple. That is the basis of almost every accounting system in existence. As long as you have inputs that do not change over time, you can present constant outputs (eg, the accounting books at the end of an accounting period). Simple and straightforward. In a dynamic system, it's not so simple. The algorithms and processes (AKA "models") remain, but the inputs are constantly changing (albeit not always in a constant manner) so the outputs are also constantly changing. What's happening in this pandemic is dynamic. That means that the inputs into the models being used by the experts are changing, which means that the outputs also change. Duh? What part of that are you too feeble-minded to understand? The typical creationist and fundamentalist mind-set is to accept something as some kind of final and ultimate authority. For example, the Bible is supposed to be some kind of complete and ultimate authority on everything. So then they try to pose Darwin as some kind of complete and ultimate authority on everything relating to evolution. In reality, that is not how it works. Some kind of Ultimate Divine Authority could command some kind of Ultimate Divine Answer which is equally invariable from it's Ultimate Divine Origin. But that's not what anybody's talking about. According to fundamentalists, all possible truth was given once and for all, which means that all that could possibly happen is for that truth to degrade and be lost over time. According to normals, we start with an idea of how the natural world works. From that, we come up with more ideas that we can then test and eliminate or keep, etc. So if Darwin came up with an idea, normals would examine and develope those ideas beyond what Darwin had originally thought, far beyond. Fundies instead would require Darwin to have come up with all evolutionary ideas perfectly from the start. That is obviously complete and utter nonsense. That is why your utterly stupid complaint that scientists' response to changing inputs invalidates their changing conclusions is complete and utter nonsense.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5
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All I know is that the phlebotomist in the story reported on the results of her blood samples. My daughter-in-law is a medical professional, a physician assistant -- in normal hospital life, a PA does all the actual medical work with the patients while the MD is an administrator. She replied to my Facebook message:
quote: Which is exactly what I and others are telling you. The phlebotomist just draws the blood and gives it to the lab technician. The lab tech performs the analysis and gives the results to the physician who interprets the results and reports to whomever (eg, patient, public health agencies). The only way that the phlebotomist would know anything the results would be if the lab tech or physician or public health agency leaked that information back to her, which reduces her knowledge of the results to rumor. The phlebotomist would be a reliable primary source for information about how much testing she's doing and for her impression of how the test subjects are presenting in general. She is not a reliable primary source for information about the results. That that article uses the phlebotomist as a primary source instead of using the physician or public health agency makes me suspect the Chicago City Wire. That's reality. That's how things work. But of course you, in your infinite ignorance, will reject reality yet again.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
There's no "plan" ... It most certainly looked like a plan. Infect the children who in turn spread the infection. Those who survive should have developed immunity and hence build up herd immunity. The primary problems with that is that that kind of behavior is what has resulted in the NYC hospitals being overwhelmed and in thousands of Americans dying. There's also the problem of not even knowing whether recovering from this virus endows the victim with immunity; there are reports of recovered patients becoming infected again, so this is a very important question that needs more research.
... I merely described what this man said and he was very impressive ... Considering your long and unbroken history of being very impressed with pure BS, that does nothing to recommend this man and what you report he said.
... the first thing he said was that the vulnerable people need to be protected so there's no idea of children going home to infect grandparents. So where are they supposed to go? You send them off to school and then lock them out of the house? If they get infected (which is the plan, after all), then letting them come in contact with their parents and other family members will spread the infection to them. When grandparents live with the family (which does happen), then that will indeed infect the grandparents. If not, then those infected family members will infect the grandparents. And allowing the free spread of infection is what's causing the overwhelming of the healthcare system. Plus, the rest of the family is also vulnerable to getting sick from this and dying. Even the children -- one healthcare worker reported on her 4-year-old son being hospitalized with severe symptoms.
And I didn't quote Levin about the other medical needs so you can drop the accusation of him. He didn't "conflate" anything, I merely made a general statement. That is a BS lie! Why are you lying to us yet again? Message 5737Faith writes: Levin was also talking about how the numbers of infections and deaths are terribly inflated, how other causes of death are often not distinguished from the virus, how people who need other kinds of medical attention aren't getting it because everything is dedicated to the virus.. In your reporting of what Levin was talking about, he was indeed conflating emergency and non-emergency medical needs. Or were you just lying about that too? Whichever it is, my description what's actually happening and of how things actually work (ie, reality) is still valid. All you have done has been to try to avoid reality yet again. Also, thank you for exposing Levin as an unreliable source. Or that your interpretation of what he says is highly unreliable. Either way, we now know with great certainty to reject as nonsense anything you tell us about what he says.
If so the sooner they can be tested for antibodies the better. Yes! We need testing. Now! Without testing we have almost no chance to get this pandemic under control or to restart the economy. The problem is that the US is a strong contender for #1 in its failure to test. All empty boastful bluster aside, we've only tested about 1% of the US population. We desperately need widespread and aggressive testing to be able to identify and quarantine the asymptomatic infected as well as the ones with antibodies (ie, had been exposed but recovered). One of the vital reasons for identifying who has antibodies is so that we can study whether that confers immunity and whether that keeps them from being carriers who could infect others. Our social and economic recovery depends very much on workers who cannot become infected and who will not infect others. But we cannot get there if we remain ignorant about this disease, which is where we'll remain stuck without testing. We know that ignorance does not work, because we've already tried it. Far too many times.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5
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Faith writes:
Shall we ask for volunteers? ... It's not so much letting it spread as it is trying to keep it limited to people who aren't as vulernable ... That are churches filled with those volunteers, especially tomorrow (Easter Sunday). It's becoming a Facebook meme to post news of yet another denouncer of COVID-19 as a hoax having just died of the disease. Most of them are pastors of churches who encourage their congregations to pack in tightly and make a point of shaking as many hands as possible. Dare we say that that naturally occurring meme is going viral?
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
Of course Trump addressed this need by trying to get the Feds out of the testing business. That was too much for a lot of people. I had heard that testing sites were having to close because Trump was pulling funding for them. Absolute insanity! Why would he do such a thing? All I could think was that he was reverting to his reasoning? during the issue of letting passengers off that cruise ship off of California where he didn't want them to increase the official number of infections because that would make him look bad. More complete testing will inevitably increase the official number of infected Americans, and so, what, he's afraid that will make him look even worse?
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
Well at least if they are true believers they get to go and be with Jesus. Even if that were the case, what about all the people they killed with their stupidity? Some of the bad and sudden outbreaks have been traced back to large packed churches.
But my bet is it's very few churches and probably those with a charismatic theology that are engaging in this foolish virus baiting. Probably more than you think, especially considering the strong Trump support among many evangelicals which resulted in many, including the pastors, calling the virus a hoax (echoing their understanding of Trump's earlier dismissal of the virus) and congregating in large groups and shaking as many hands as possible as a form of protest in support of Trump. In addition, Republican leaders in red states have either held back on banning large gatherings or have tried (and often succeeded) in making religious gatherings exempt from those rules, ignoring the fact that such gatherings have shown to be flashpoints of massive infection. Their actions are not motivated by religion, but rather by political ideology. If they want to go and "be with Jesus", then fine, let them. But we cannot allow them to take everybody else with them.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5
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DWise1 writes:
Are there Mass Darwin Awards? That are churches filled with those volunteers, especially tomorrow (Easter Sunday). Darwin Awards are for removing yourself from the gene pool in very stupid ways. That means doing so before you have reproduced, thus removing your genes for stupidity from the gene pool. But this particular death-by-stupidity also incurs enormous collateral damage, also killing off thousands whose only stupid act was to live anywhere near those idiots. We need a judgment call on this one. I just found a likely answer on Wikipedia, Darwin Awards (emphasis added): quote: Since they will kill "innocent bystanders" (very large numbers for that matter), they disqualify themselves. Lower down the page are Wendy Northcutt's five requirements, plus some rules under development: quote: So it looks like they are disqualified for Darwin Awards because of the thousands of fit people they will kill, though they might be able to get dishonorable mention (there is no honor in the mass homicide they will engage in). Share and enjoy!
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