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jar
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Message 511 of 955 (874890)
04-11-2020 2:53 PM
Reply to: Message 510 by Coragyps
04-11-2020 1:38 PM


Re: The Latest US Coronavirus Graph
It's clear that your problem is testing and reporting. Stop that and the covid-19 problem goes away.
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Message 512 of 955 (874891)
04-11-2020 2:57 PM
Reply to: Message 511 by jar
04-11-2020 2:53 PM


Re: The Latest US Coronavirus Graph
It's clear that your problem is testing and reporting. Stop that and the covid-19 problem goes away.
Clearly that is what the crazy right sources that Faith used is trying to do. It's hard to actually stop it all but it is easier to fool folks like her into not believing the more valid answers we have. This muddling of the waters is exactly what the Russians have been doing with their misinformation campaigns around the world.
Then Faith contributes to the destruction of your society by repeating things that are obviously wrong.

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Message 513 of 955 (874896)
04-11-2020 4:27 PM
Reply to: Message 509 by Percy
04-11-2020 1:22 PM


Re: The Latest US Coronavirus Graph
Here's a map of infection cases across the US:
The novel coronavirus continued its march across rural America over the weekend. By Sunday night, April 5, two-thirds of rural counties had at least one case. Just over 200 rural counties have reported a death attributable to COVID-19.
quote:
Coronavirus Infection Rate, April 5
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The novel coronavirus continued its march across rural America over the weekend. By Sunday night, April 5, two-thirds of rural counties had at least one case. Just over 200 rural counties have reported a death attributable to COVID-19.
The map above shows the spread of the virus and deaths as of Sunday night, April 5. Click on individual counties for more information, or explore a larger version of the map here.
  • Green: Rural counties with no cases (665 counties)
  • Orange: Rural counties with cases of COVID-19 (1,109 counties)
  • Red: Rural counties with deaths (203 counties)
  • Pink: Urban with no cases (61 counties)
  • Gray: Urban with cases (575 counties)
  • Black: Urban with deaths (528 counties)
The link in the article has a 404 error to see the larger map. Click the article link to see the map.
These figures likely under-report the presence of the disease, according to a study by researchers at the University of Texas. They estimate that even in counties that report no COVID-19 cases, there is a 9 percent chance that the virus is present in that community.
If a county has one case, the Texas researchers predict that there is a 51 percent chance that the virus is spreading through the community.
From April 1 to 5, an additional 172 rural counties reported a case of coronavirus infection. Only 665 or about a third of rural counties have yet to report a case of COVID-19. Only 61 urban counties 5 percent of all metro counties say they have yet to find a COVID-19 case.
That means that 2/3rds of rural counties/county equivalents have at least one known case.
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RAZD
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Message 514 of 955 (874897)
04-11-2020 4:33 PM
Reply to: Message 513 by RAZD
04-11-2020 4:27 PM


Re: The Latest US Coronavirus Graph
This is updated
quote:
Nearly three out of every four rural counties have officially reported having a case of COVID-19 by the end of Thursday, according to data compiled from
Coronavirus Infections, April 9
Nearly three out of every four rural counties have officially reported having a case of COVID-19 by the end of Thursday, according to data compiled from state health care agencies by USA Facts.
The map above shows the spread of the novel coronavirus through rural America. The 130 rural counties in red reported their first case of COVID-19 between Sunday and Thursday, April 5-9, 2020.
As of April 9, there have been 563 deaths from the virus in rural America. For the past week, the number of deaths from COVID-19 in rural counties has increased 12 to 17 % each day. Deaths in rural counties are increasing at about the same rate as the nation as a whole.
Deaths have been increasing the fastest in the suburbs of the nation’s major metropolitan areas, those with over a million people.
Rural America still has a per capita rate of infection that is just a quarter of the national rate.
Rural America has more problems with getting treatment, so I don't see this rate dropping.
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Message 515 of 955 (874902)
04-11-2020 5:17 PM
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04-11-2020 2:57 PM


Re: The Latest US Coronavirus Graph
... the Russians ...
Speaking of which, what's happening in Russia? I haven't heard nor seen a single report from or about Russia.

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Message 516 of 955 (874911)
04-11-2020 6:51 PM
Reply to: Message 515 by dwise1
04-11-2020 5:17 PM


Re: The Latest US Coronavirus Graph
I haven't heard nor seen a single report from or about Russia.
nothing is happening in Russia, everything is fine over there. Vlad wouldn't lie to us would he?

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jar
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Message 517 of 955 (874918)
04-11-2020 7:12 PM
Reply to: Message 509 by Percy
04-11-2020 1:22 PM


Re: The Latest US Coronavirus Graph
Fixed it for you.
Time to get back to work it seems.

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RAZD
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Message 518 of 955 (874920)
04-11-2020 8:49 PM


California
quote:
New signs suggest coronavirus was in California far earlier than anyone knew
SACRAMENTO A man found dead in his house in early March. A woman who fell sick in mid-February and later died.
These early COVID-19 deaths in the San Francisco Bay Area suggest that the novel coronavirus had established itself in the community long before health officials started looking for it. The lag time has had dire consequences, allowing the virus to spread unchecked before social distancing rules went into effect.
The virus was freewheeling in our community and probably has been here for quite some time, Dr. Jeff Smith, a physician who is the chief executive of Santa Clara County government, told county leaders in a recent briefing.
How long? A study out of Stanford suggests a dramatic viral surge in February.
But Smith on Friday said data collected by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, local health departments and others suggest it was a lot longer than we first believed most likely since back in December.
This wasn’t recognized because we were having a severe flu season, Smith said in an interview. Symptoms are very much like the flu. If you got a mild case of COVID, you didn’t really notice. You didn’t even go to the doctor. The doctor maybe didn’t even do it because they presumed it was the flu.
The CDC provided testing materials to only some health departments, with restrictions that confined testing and thus the tracking of the novel coronavirus to those who were sick or exposed to someone already known to have COVID-19. The federal agency’s focus was on cruise ships, with Princess Cruises’ Diamond Princess carrying the largest known cluster of COVID-19 cases outside of China. The first passenger tested positive for COVID-19 five days after the ship’s Jan. 20 departure from Japan. Eventually, 712 passengers and crew tested positive, and nine of them died.
COVID-19 did not reappear in the Bay Area until Feb. 27, when doctors finally decided to test a hospitalized woman who had been ill for weeks. She became the region’s first case of community-spread coronavirus.
But from there, almost every positive test pointed toward local spread. When public health [officials] tried to track down the start of the disease we weren’t able to find, specifically, a contact, Smith told county supervisors. That means the virus is in the community already not, as was suspected by the CDC, as only in China and being spread from contact with China.
So Faith it seems was right.
And the disease is wider spread than thought.
Enjoy

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Message 519 of 955 (874922)
04-11-2020 9:09 PM
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04-11-2020 6:51 PM


Re: The Latest US Coronavirus Graph
nothing is happening in Russia, everything is fine over there. Vlad wouldn't lie to us would he?
Yeah, that's what I thought.

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Message 520 of 955 (874929)
04-12-2020 12:19 AM
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04-11-2020 8:49 PM


Re: California
quote:
So Faith it seems was righ
More evidence is needed. Faith was arguing that the virus was widespread in November. The virus arriving in December, with cases in February and March does not support that.

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Message 521 of 955 (874934)
04-12-2020 1:42 AM
Reply to: Message 518 by RAZD
04-11-2020 8:49 PM


Re: California
This wasn’t recognized because we were having a severe flu season, Smith said in an interview. Symptoms are very much like the flu. If you got a mild case of COVID, you didn’t really notice. You didn’t even go to the doctor. The doctor maybe didn’t even do it because they presumed it was the flu.
Eggzacklee.
So Faith it seems was right.
And the disease is wider spread than thought.
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Message 522 of 955 (874937)
04-12-2020 2:10 AM
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04-12-2020 12:19 AM


Re: California
We'll see how far back it goes when they are able to test enough people for antibodies. If my daughter's family all have antibodies it would go back to late November - early December. She and one grandson had another "cold" in January or February though so that might confuse things, we can't seem to remember exactly when. They were visiting me at the time for a ski trip. Another family they are friends with had something similar but I'm not sure when. And children in one school were sick at the same time in November to December. And my other grandson and their father were sick at that early time and not since too.
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Message 523 of 955 (874965)
04-12-2020 10:13 AM


Trump could have saved lives
‘It is what it is’: Fauci carefully admits Trump ‘could have saved lives’ if he took the virus seriously
quote:
"Do you think lives could have been saved if social distancing, physical distancing, stay-at-home measures, had started the third week of February instead of mid-March? Tapper pressed.
You know, Jake, again, it’s the ‘what would have, what could have,' Fauci explained. It’s very difficult to go back and say that. I mean, obviously you could logically say that if you had a process that was ongoing and you started mitigation earlier, you could have saved lives. Obviously no one is going to deny that. But what goes into those kinds of decisions is complicated. But you’re right, I mean, obviously, if we had right from the very beginning shut everything down, it may have been a little bit different but there was a lot of pushback about shutting things down back then.

  
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Message 524 of 955 (874966)
04-12-2020 10:19 AM


Administration still disfuncional
Worker threw exception | www.rawstory.com | Cloudflare
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As the Post reports, One of the biggest obstacles to the virus response is Trump himself.
Even the most dutiful plans and projects often get caught up in the chaos of the White House. Advisers spend significant time trying to manage the president and his whims from successfully dissuading him from seeking to reopen the country at Easter to tempering his impulse to push unproven drugs as miracle elixirs, the report continues, before adding that the president reportedly suggested letting the coronavirus wash over the country in an effort to develop herd immunity, only to have an alarmed Dr. Anthony Fauci tell him, Mr. President, many people would die.
The report goes on to note that the task force meetings helmed by Vice President Mike Pence rarely move the ball forward.
Despite the debates, few actual decisions are made. Instead, Pence tries to reach a consensus and then bring it to the president for approval. Decisions made in the room are often undermined by Trump, and some discussions, such as guidance on wearing masks, stretched on for weeks. Several officials say the meetings are rarely, in the words of one senior administration official who has attended many of them, ‘where the real action happens.' the Post reports.
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Message 525 of 955 (874996)
04-12-2020 5:09 PM


A lesson in fake news
This is how so much news is reported today, if only people would think for themselves instead of just being satisfied with these hate filled reporters twisting and distorting what's actually going on.
From the 20 to 30 second mark, it only shows Trump giving his responses, they cover up what the questions actually were. Then, at 1:10, they showed the question being asked by a Fox News reporter, only they cut it short without showing the entire question, then they showed his response to what the video doesn't show. It showed cut-ups of his answers, and it's highly suspect when he said "so horrid in the way you ask a question", he wasn't talking to the Fox reporter at all, that was probably at another time to someone like Acosta. Then, at the 2:00 mark, a question from a CBS reporter, asking him what someone else meant, a half second of Trump getting started on his response, and then back to a scowling Jake Tapper, who only described Trumps answer in his (Tapper's) words, then disagreeing with it.
Then Tapper askes several questions, (as if Trump is listening) related to supplies and timelines, questions that any Democrat in Trump's position wouldn't be able to answer with any more certainty than Trump does. Then another question in the vid from another reporter, Tapper cuts off Trump's response, and describes Trump's answer in his own words, and pretends to be talking directly to Trump again. And looking so sad that Trump's not answering him, largely because Trump isn't there.
Tapper says that these attack questions won't go away, but he forgets that those types of questions wouldn't be there at all if it was Obama or Biden standing there. Here's a question that does tend to go away, considering today's news media bias; "Mr. President, the U.S. hasn't had a virus like this in 100 years, it stands to reason that you didn't snap to attention to it in a time frame that would keep us from putting you down for it. Do you believe you would have been in a clearer frame of mind to respond to it back in January if the Democrats didn't have you distracted with their impeachment game?
Trump is doing far more press briefings and taking more time for questions than any other president would in a time like this, because there are several past examples - Carter with the Iranian hostage crisis, Bush during 9/11, etc. He does it largely so whoever watches it can see what's actually being said, and can see how fake news reports are edited. Many are mislead by the fake news video above, and of course many committed Trump haters are amused by it. But another, admittedly probably smaller, segment of the population are wise to it. News media ratings continue to be below that of Congress, and that's low.

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