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JonF
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Message 526 of 955 (874998)
04-12-2020 6:56 PM
Reply to: Message 525 by marc9000
04-12-2020 5:09 PM


Re: A lesson in fake news
Wow, talk about loaded questions!
Trump was not so distracted by impeachment that he couldn't play lots of golf and hold lots of rallies.
You are correct that the questions wouldn't be there at all if it was Obama or Biden standing there. Obama or Biden would have reacted much earlier and done an incredibly more competent job. Such questions wouldn't arise because we wouldn't have the fustercluck that the Administration has made much worse than it had to be.

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DrJones*
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Message 527 of 955 (874999)
04-12-2020 7:07 PM
Reply to: Message 525 by marc9000
04-12-2020 5:09 PM


Re: A lesson in fake news
Do you believe you would have been in a clearer frame of mind to respond to it back in January if the Democrats didn't have you distracted with their impeachment game?
how about "Mr. president if you're so bad at your job that you allowed yourself to be distracted from multiple warnings about an oncoming crisis yet still managed to hold rallies and go golfing why should you be re-elected?"
Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
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JonF
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Message 528 of 955 (875001)
04-12-2020 7:26 PM


Dr. Fauci calmly and politely rips Trump a new one
Dr. Fauci explains why Trump’s travel bans didn’t work and he was begging action as early as mid-January
I want to quote the whole thing. But I can't, so go read it. One highlight:
quote:
Fauci explained that there was always some indication that there was danger. But he claimed that the information coming out of China was wrong until the end of December. Trump has claimed China, saying that they lied to the United States and blamed the World Health Organization for perpetuating it. Whether that is true or not, Fauci made it clear that the United States knew this was a problem at the end of December and by the end of January, it was known that the virus was spreading from person to person.
They said it was something like 24 cases in this wet market, where these exotic animals are sold and there is a human/animal interface, said Fauci. The proposal made by the authorities in China where this was just jumping from an animal to a human, and it wasn’t spread from human-to-human. Then it became clear, when you look back, that it was likely in China that there was human-to-human spread. By the time we got that information and we started getting cases here, it was, ‘well, it’s not efficiently spread from human-to-human.’ As soon as it became clear that there was community spread, which means that it isn’t just a travel-related case, that there are cases that are in the community under the radar screen, then it became clear that we were in real trouble.
Sharpton asked when that was and Fauci said that it was toward the middle to end of January.
And did you begin advising the administration and those authorities that we were, in fact, seeing something different here and this could be a major problem at that time? asked Sharpton.
You bet, Fauci said emphatically.

  
LamarkNewAge
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Message 529 of 955 (875002)
04-12-2020 7:57 PM


We ended last Sunday, April 5, at 9,600 deaths. April 12 is over 22,101 with 5 hours
With 5 hours left.
Italy was ahead of us by a good number 7 days ago. Now Italy is at around 18,899.
I hope we DO ACTUALLY get a significant slow down in deaths,, so the projected 60,000 death hope is actually met. I don't know.
I just don't know.
Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.

  
frako
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Message 530 of 955 (875005)
04-12-2020 9:28 PM


Awesome president you have there.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.

  
Faith 
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Message 531 of 955 (875008)
04-12-2020 10:13 PM


Hydroxychloroquine
Does anyone know if Hydroxychloroquine is being used with any cases of the virus? I heard one passing reference earlier today but nothing else.

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Coragyps
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Message 532 of 955 (875010)
04-12-2020 10:45 PM
Reply to: Message 531 by Faith
04-12-2020 10:13 PM


Re: Hydroxychloroquine
A doctor who owns a nursing home down near Houston has ordered a supply and is treating some of his patients/residents with it. I will look for a link.

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Faith 
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Message 533 of 955 (875011)
04-13-2020 12:10 AM
Reply to: Message 532 by Coragyps
04-12-2020 10:45 PM


Re: Hydroxychloroquine
Thank you.
I heard some time ago that Cuomo had recommended its use in New York hospitals but I haven't heard anything about whether or not it has actually been used.

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Percy
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Message 534 of 955 (875025)
04-13-2020 9:57 AM
Reply to: Message 533 by Faith
04-13-2020 12:10 AM


Re: Hydroxychloroquine
Please, you and everyone, stop pushing untested medicines like chloroqine and hydroxychorloquine. It has been explained that it must first be tested in peer-reviewed and statistically significant studies for safety and effectiveness. The FDA has granted an exception for compassionate use (i.e., a last resort measure for terminal patients), and that is more than enough.
Doctor's should not be prescribing untested medicines for any but the most desperate of cases. It's been explained why before, and Lockdowns in France and U.K. Expected to Last Into Next Month - The New York Times provides a good example. Here's a brief excerpt:
quote:
A small study of chloroquine, which is closely related to the hydroxychloroquine drug that President Trump has promoted, was halted in Brazil after coronavirus patients taking a higher dose developed irregular heart rates that increased their risk of a potentially fatal arrhythmia.
The study, which involved 81 hospitalized patients in the city of Manaus, was sponsored by the Brazilian state of Amazonas. Roughly half the participants were prescribed 450 milligrams of chloroquine twice daily for five days, while the rest were prescribed 600 milligrams for 10 days.
Within three days, researchers started noticing heart arrhythmias in patients taking the higher dose. By the sixth day of treatment, 11 patients had died, leading to an immediate end to the high-dose segment of the trial.
These drugs are not safe because they have an adverse effect on a statistically significant number of patients. They may be effective, but we don't know yet. These drugs do hold promise because they were mildly effective for the closely related SARS and MERS viruses, so they do merit study to determine if and when these medicines should be prescribed. But for now they should only be used in the most desperate of cases because we do not want to make the death toll any worse than it already is.
--Percy
Edited by Percy, : Grammar.

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jar
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Message 535 of 955 (875026)
04-13-2020 10:07 AM
Reply to: Message 534 by Percy
04-13-2020 9:57 AM


Re: Hydroxychloroquine
BUT remember, any deaths from using a drug like those will not count as a covid-19 death and so is fine as far as the Orange Menace is concerned.

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JonF
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Message 536 of 955 (875027)
04-13-2020 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 532 by Coragyps
04-12-2020 10:45 PM


Re: Hydroxychloroquine
COVID-19 Patients Given Unproven Drug In Texas Nursing Home In 'Disconcerting' Move : NPR
quote:
It's actually going well. People are getting better," Armstrong told NPR, adding that after just a handful of days, some of the 39 patients on the medication are showing signs of improvement.
But scientists argue that relying on observational, uncontrolled evidence can be misleading and that the only way to truly prove a drug is working is through carefully controlled clinical trials. And, contrary to Armstrong's assertion that hydroxychloroquine "has virtually no side effects," it is known to have serious negative health impacts. That is why so many in the medical community worry about prescribing it without such proof.[...]
He acknowledged that some families were not aware their relatives were put on the drug, saying that "for the most part," he consulted with each nursing home resident prior to giving them on the tablets.
That last bit is a big issue too.

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Percy
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Message 537 of 955 (875028)
04-13-2020 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 509 by Percy
04-11-2020 1:22 PM


Re: The Latest US Coronavirus Graph
I thought I posted yesterday's data, but I guess I got busy and forgot. This information is two days after the previous update. Here's today's graph of infections in the US from ArcGIS Dashboards Classic as of 4/12. Still no signs of slowing at 555,300:
Here's today's a graph of deaths in the US from Cumulative Cases - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center as of 4/12. Again, no signs of slowing at 22,020, an increase of nearly 2000 from the day before:
Here's a map of infection cases across the US:
--Percy

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JonF
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Message 538 of 955 (875050)
04-13-2020 4:57 PM


Let's pick the most unqualified

  
Faith 
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Message 539 of 955 (875052)
04-13-2020 5:01 PM
Reply to: Message 534 by Percy
04-13-2020 9:57 AM


Re: Hydroxychloroquine
Sorry, there are plenty of medical people who have used it for decades for malaria and know it is safe. The cases where it has been used on COVID-19 have been overwhelmingly positive. Of course it could have adverse effects on some people but it's worked just fine for decades for malaria and all this panic about using it now is really just an excuse to complain about Trump who found out about it and promoted it. It's like you'd all rather let people die than use a drug Trump happened to hear about that has been used for half a century and has shown to work for this virus when tried.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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jar
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Message 540 of 955 (875058)
04-13-2020 5:23 PM
Reply to: Message 539 by Faith
04-13-2020 5:01 PM


Re: Hydroxychloroquine
Faith writes:
The cases where it has been used on COVID-19 have been overwhelmingly positive.
Where is the evidence Faith; not testimony from your usual quacks, conmen and suspects but actual evidence?

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