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Author Topic:   Censorship vs Public Safety
Hyroglyphx
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Message 31 of 58 (875180)
04-15-2020 5:34 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Phat
04-14-2020 9:15 AM


Any further comments regarding Faiths banning can also be discussed here.
When was this? What was the final straw?

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 33 of 58 (875182)
04-15-2020 5:41 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Phat
04-14-2020 9:38 AM


Thanks for your concern. At my store we were all given masks and gloves. we also have hand sanitizer for cashiers and customer use though they still have none for sale. Nearly everyone respects social distancing though i do get coughed at occasionally. I try and keep discussions positive and help people find what they need. Our shelves are still depleted though not as much. We are entering some tough and challenging times as a nation.
A month ago, I saw about 15% of shoppers wearing masks and zero employees wearing masks or any other PPE. Two weeks ago I saw half the shoppers and half the staff wearing masks and some with gloves. I kept wanting to scream at them saying, "Its dickheads like you that this is going to go on longer than it needs to. Stop being a selfish prick. Its not that you can't survive after contracting it, its that others may not who get it from you!"
Today, I am happy to report that every single shopper was masked, the hoarding behavior has stopped, and only one employee was not protected. Progress.
Travis County just hit 900 confirmed cases this morning, which means you can expect that at least 400 cases where people are sick and don't know it because its in the incubation period.
For a city of this size, those numbers are relatively low compared to other cities of comparable size and population. But this will only get better when the overwhelming majority of people come to their senses.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 44 of 58 (875279)
04-20-2020 3:51 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by NosyNed
04-16-2020 1:20 PM


Re: Not wrong
The nonsense that Trump and Faith spew adds to a general background that mixes people up.
It is best to muzzle such crap when it is at all possible.
North Korea and China agree that its best muzzle dissenters than have a robust conversation that changes minds through reasoned, well-articulated persuasion.
Besides she's an utter waste of everyone's time when she is here. She's not able to read.
Yeah, no one is disputing that she isn't a crazy, old coot with outlandish ideas... But that's kind of the point! LOL, who at EvC takes ANYTHING Faith says so seriously that they would actually take her advice regarding, well, anything? C'mon, get serious for a minute
She was banned for life under the pretense that she said something so dangerous that other people might follow her off a cliff.
Faith is a miserable human being that relishes her own ignorance... No dispute. I'm not defending her, per se, I'm defending free speech. Reinstate her so we can continue ignoring her gawd awful advice.
At the end of the day Faith is pretty much an institution at EvC -- a permanent fixture. Yeah, its ugly to look at but you can't imagine this place without it.
And to be fair to her, she loves this place... I don't know why since she's so nearly universally despised, but this place provides her a lot of meaning in her life. I don't wish any ill will towards her, I just wish that she would open her eyes to reality. All this will do for her is solidify her martyrdom that she's being persecuted for her religious and political beliefs.
In any event, your tenor and tone that we need to protect people from dangerous ideas is itself the most dangerous idea of all.
End rant.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 50 of 58 (875285)
04-20-2020 11:34 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by NosyNed
04-20-2020 6:51 PM


Re: Murky
However, maybe we have learned something from the Russians. It is not necessary to convince the masses of your point of view with propaganda. It is enough to muddy the waters so much that no one believes any source any more. This allows a response of "fake news" to anything you don't like hearing.
Yeah, they are master propagandists... almost every goal they have is to destabilize the West, create inner conflict, and watch the system crumble from within. That's been in their playbook for the last 50 years, but especially now, since its to let the West destroy itself than it is to launch a direct attack. Even if they 'won' the losses would be so monumental that you could barely distinguish between the difference between the victor and the loser.
It is this effect that has to be considered when balancing the value of free speech against the downsides of allowing anyone to say anything. It is not just the case of yelling fire in a confined space.
And who arbitrates such things? Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what's for dinner... That's more or less the problem. And my point still stands.... nobody on EvC takes Faith seriously enough to actually take her advice on anything. The closest thing might have been Buzsaw and, well, he is dearly departed. I just don't understand... this isn't a new revelation that Faith says dumb shit. Why is this the straw that breaks the camel's back?

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 51 of 58 (875286)
04-20-2020 11:36 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by AZPaul3
04-20-2020 7:03 PM


Re: Not wrong
She is our poor demented sister to be pitied, made fun of, scolded, ridiculed, scorned but loved all the same. Never despised.
Fair enough

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 54 of 58 (875294)
04-21-2020 2:36 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by Phat
04-21-2020 1:38 PM


Re: A Few More Words About Faith's Suspension
I am impressed that some of her most strident opponents actually care so much about her right to free speech.
Reminds me of EvC's infamous Night of Broken Glass where dozens of members were either given the ban hammer or fell on their own sword in protest. If I recall, I was the catalyst that set it ablaze. They were protesting that I should be banned on account of my homophobic beliefs. The irony is that I defended their right to express their desire to despise me and to have me banned.
To this day I still stand by the sentiment that most people misinterpreted what I was actually arguing, but nevertheless the fact that I was homophobic in those days was no mystery. A few people seemed to get my argument and defended me, such as Modulous, who himself is gay. I should say, he wasn't defending me per se rather he was merely explaining my position. He didn't agree with my position he was simply clarifying it.
Brenna, Dan Carrol, and a few others were snarky and belittled me every chance they got. I easily could have been met with glee when they were axed but I wasn't. Their right to freely protest me was more precious to me than getting rid of people who openly despised and mocked me.
Admin has a tough job and I don't envy it. On the one hand he is a promoter of free speech by hosting a forum. However, when the discourse devolves into shit-posting and lawless chaos, it detracts from civil discourse. I value free speech but I also agree that there are reasonable and appropriate limitations to it. Speech can never be free in absolute terms and the right to free speech does not protect you from the consequence of that speech.
EvC an apartment complex. We all live here but we have no stake in ownership. We signed up with the foreknowledge that there are forum guidelines and a continual flouting of those rules is met with enforcement action.
I obviously agree that in general Faith is wrong about almost everything that comes out of her mouth. I also agree that her recommendations were in fact dangerous and ill-advised. Where I disagree is that she has any meaningful impact on anyone at EvC that would actually take her advice. Maybe Buzsaw, but he's been dead for quite sometime.
We've seen Faith permanently banned several times always to eventually be given some reprieve. Don't know if this was the last one or if time heals all wounds.
Anyway, I'm not going to belabor this any further... I've expressed my views, Admin has expressed his. Ultimately he is the owner and reserves the right to deny service. It is what it is.
Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 57 of 58 (875313)
04-22-2020 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by Dogmafood
04-21-2020 9:33 PM


Re: A Few More Words About Faith's Suspension
Censorship is bull shit and fuck you to anyone who thinks they can decide what I should be exposed to.
I'm in agreement, but all I can do is try to use persuasion Message 44

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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