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JonF
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Message 3856 of 4573 (875425)
04-25-2020 7:20 PM


Fading from the stage
US stays away as world leaders agree action on Covid-19 vaccine
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Global leaders have pledged to accelerate cooperation on a coronavirus vaccine and to share research, treatment and medicines across the globe. But the United States did not take part in the World Health Organization initiative, in a sign of Donald Trump’s increasing isolation on the global stage.
The cooperation pledge, made at a virtual meeting, was designed to show that wealthy countries will not keep the results of research from developing countries.[...]
Instead an ad hoc grouping of 20 world leaders and global health figures were on the call, including the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, the French president, Emmanuel Macron, and the American philanthropist Bill Gates. Britain will co-chair a joint coronavirus global response summit on 4 May aimed at raising funds for vaccine research, treatments and tests.
Once the US was a world leader. Now we're not even a world participant.

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jar
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Message 3857 of 4573 (875426)
04-25-2020 9:27 PM


placing the graduating West Point class in harms way.
Trump has decided that instead of the VP giving a virtual graduation speech to the class il Donaldo will address the class in person. He has instructed that 1000 grads be brought back to West Point, given covid-19 tests and then quarantined in separate rooms for 14 days before being herded to the ceremony.
quote:
Although a White House spokesperson has said that Trump or the academy could always reschedule or reassess his decision as June 13 creeps closer, especially if the epidemic worsens, Trump has said that he did not like the look of a socially distanced graduation and that he hoped the ‘look’ of the ceremony would be ‘nice and tight.’
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That the Superintendent of West Point would even consider such an order makes one wonder.

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AZPaul3
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Message 3858 of 4573 (875427)
04-26-2020 1:54 AM
Reply to: Message 3857 by jar
04-25-2020 9:27 PM


Re: placing the graduating West Point class in harms way.
That the Superintendent of West Point would even consider such an order makes one wonder.
What's to wonder? The Superintendent is a 3-star general. Military through and through. His orders may seem unusual but they are not illegal in a Nuremberg sense and they are not unconstitutional. There is no reason to question. At least not publicly.
There should be no doubt that the military see the Orange Bastard for the incompetent narcissistic idiot that he is, but in this instance, as in so many others, this is not sufficient reason to violate those orders. Even going in harm's way.

Factio Republicana delenda est.

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jar
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Message 3859 of 4573 (875443)
04-26-2020 8:20 AM
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04-26-2020 1:54 AM


Re: placing the graduating West Point class in harms way.
So a three star General sending a whole graduating class into unnecessary harm to create a photo op for the President is not unreasonable.

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AZPaul3
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Message 3860 of 4573 (875446)
04-26-2020 10:32 AM
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04-26-2020 8:20 AM


Re: placing the graduating West Point class in harms way.
Of course it's unreasonable. We're talking Donald Trump here.
But it is not illegal and military duty is to obey the legal orders of the Commander In Chief regardless of risk or circumstance. In this country military command is not allowed to substitute its own political judgement in place of its civilian leadership. That would be a violation of their oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution which specifically gives the President the right to issue such legal, if questionable, orders.
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

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Message 3861 of 4573 (875452)
04-26-2020 3:18 PM
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04-25-2020 3:11 PM


Re: Beyond belief

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JonF
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Message 3862 of 4573 (875457)
04-26-2020 3:35 PM


What do you *really* think
Irish Times editorial
quote:
Will American prestige ever recover from this shameful episode? The US went into the coronavirus crisis with immense advantages: precious weeks of warning about what was coming, the world’s best concentration of medical and scientific expertise, effectively limitless financial resources, a military complex with stunning logistical capacity and most of the world’s leading technology corporations. Yet it managed to make itself the global epicentre of the pandemic.
As the American writer George Packer puts it in the current edition of the Atlantic, The United States reacted ... like Pakistan or Belarus — like a country with shoddy infrastructure and a dysfunctional government whose leaders were too corrupt or stupid to head off mass suffering.
It is one thing to be powerless in the face of a natural disaster, quite another to watch vast power being squandered in real time — wilfully, malevolently, vindictively. It is one thing for governments to fail (as, in one degree or another, most governments did), quite another to watch a ruler and his supporters actively spread a deadly virus. Trump, his party and Rupert Murdoch’s Fox News became vectors of the pestilence.
The grotesque spectacle of the president openly inciting people (some of them armed) to take to the streets to oppose the restrictions that save lives is the manifestation of a political death wish. What are supposed to be daily briefings on the crisis, demonstrative of national unity in the face of a shared challenge, have been used by Trump merely to sow confusion and division. They provide a recurring horror show in which all the neuroses that haunt the American subconscious dance naked on live TV.
There's lots more.

  
anglagard
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Message 3863 of 4573 (875459)
04-26-2020 6:26 PM


Good Night and Good Luck
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It was 1881, and German chancellor Otto von Bismarck had a serious socialist problem. He’d passed the Anti-Socialist Law of 1878, which banned Social Democratic meetings, associations and newspapers, but he couldn’t remove the party outright from the Reichstag. The socialists still found favor with too many constituents.
The political climate of the era was a result of German unification, the period stretching across the 19th century and culminating in 1871, when 26 small states, principalities, duchies and territories formed the German Empire. But thanks to the German constitution, Bismarck didn’t have to worry about pleasing the populace; his chancellorship was approved solely by Wilhelm I. But with the European economy in free fall, a nearly successful assassination attempt on the kaiser, and a short-lived but bloody socialist uprising in France, Bismarck was determined to undermine a party that he saw as a danger to the volatile new nation state. So the Iron Chancellor came up with a masterful plan: beat the socialists at their own game by offering health insurance to the working class.
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Is anyone running to the left of Bismarck? Oh well, at least he killed Coronavirus on time.
Edited by anglagard, : clumsy sentence

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Phat
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Message 3864 of 4573 (875496)
04-27-2020 10:55 AM
Reply to: Message 3856 by JonF
04-25-2020 7:20 PM


Re: Fading from the stage
Notice that Macron is taking center stage.
quote:
Macron told the meeting: We will continue now to mobilise all G7 and G20 countries so they get behind this initiative. And I hope we will be able to reconcile around this joint initiative both China and the US, because this is about saying the fight against Covid-19 is a common human good and there should be no division in order to win this battle.

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Percy
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Message 3865 of 4573 (875503)
04-27-2020 2:07 PM
Reply to: Message 3857 by jar
04-25-2020 9:27 PM


Re: placing the graduating West Point class in harms way.
jar writes:
Trump has decided that instead of the VP giving a virtual graduation speech to the class il Donaldo will address the class in person. He has instructed that 1000 grads be brought back to West Point, given covid-19 tests and then quarantined in separate rooms for 14 days before being herded to the ceremony.
I'd guestimate the probability that one or more of the cadets who pass the initial covid-19 test come down with it during their 14-day quarantine at around 50/50. Those cadets simply won't attend, and of course none who provide services (meals, janitorial, etc.) will attend, but what about all the other military brass would who normally attend a West Point graduation? What about the crew of civilians necessary to put on an event of this size? Drivers? Parking attendants? Ushers? Will they quarantine too?
Is there nothing this president won't sacrifice for his vanity?
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 3866 of 4573 (875504)
04-27-2020 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 3827 by Stile
04-22-2020 9:16 AM


Re: The Schizophrenic Trump
I missed this somehow.
Stile writes:
But this could just as easily be written as:
quote:
All countries are constantly oscillating between fighting the virus and reopening the country, and these two simple points explain why:
  • If the country reopens more people will get sick and more people will die, killing many people.
  • If the country does not reopen the economy will tank, many will go without money/food and an increase in things like riots/theft, killing many people.

I was making a different point. Of course all countries and their leaders are wrestling with these opposing concerns. I was offering them as the explanation for why Trump's behavior, as opposed to that of other countrys' leaders, is schizophrenic. He isn't balancing these concerns like other leaders. He's bouncing back and forth between them.
--Percy

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JonF
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Message 3867 of 4573 (875505)
04-27-2020 2:25 PM


He may starve

  
JonF
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Message 3868 of 4573 (875507)
04-27-2020 2:28 PM
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04-27-2020 2:07 PM


Re: placing the graduating West Point class in harms way.
No More Mister Nice Blog: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY IN SIX WORDS
Actually from WaPo: "Fulfill the president's needs and impulses".

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PaulK
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Message 3869 of 4573 (875628)
05-01-2020 7:58 AM


Federal Government vs States
The Republican Governor of Maryland has called out the National Guard to protect a shipment of coronavirus tests. The threat - the Federal Government - which has already seized supplies intended for other States.
Outbidding the States for medical supplies is bad enough. Seizing them from the States is going much further.

  
Percy
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Message 3870 of 4573 (875646)
05-02-2020 8:37 AM


New White House Press Secretary is a Trump Copy Cat
Fact check: New White House press secretary makes false claims in first briefing - CNNPolitics, says a CNN report.
When Trump talks he lies. If you could bet money on each Trump sentence on whether it was true, false or misleading you could make a fortune just betting mindlessly on "not true." Now we know his new press secretary lies too.
Trump's latest lie is Page No Longer Available - The New York Times. I of course have no evidence that it's a lie, but Trump said it, so I'm on pretty safe ground.
This Wuhan lab thing is blowing up in the news media, but it's just another Trump distraction. He wants to be at the top of the news cycle every day, and this is how he does it. If it gains a little traction like this Wuhan lab thing seems to be doing then he just keeps pushing it until one day it just melts away and disappears like so many other Trump lies.
By reporting all these lies, often multiple times for each outlet, the news media is acting as a Trump propaganda arm. This realization has been gradually dawning on the news media over the past few months, and they try to counter it with fact checking, but as they say, a lie can circle the globe three times before the truth puts its shoes on. Trump is much more effective at spreading lies than the news media is at correcting them.
It won't happen, but we need the news media to only report the verifiably true things that the Trump administration says. They can continue reporting on what the Trump administration does - not on what they say they do, but on what they actually verifiably do.
When, for example, Kushner goes before the cameras and touts the administration's accomplishments in battling the coronavirus they should carry only the portions that are true, and for the rest they can just say that Kushner said a bunch of things that were contrary to known facts or were unverifiable. There's no need to correct the same lies in detail day after day.
Just quoting lies to correct them spreads them. It's the genius of Trump that he has coopted the entire news media to spread his message of lies.
--Percy

  
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