Should we teach both evolution and religion in school?

Ah, that explains a lot... no wonder he mistrusts dating since ten year old kids are in the 8th grade in Oz.Prodigy I imagine.

Not at all. It is ever learning to know the truths.For example:Once people thought the earth was young. We now know that was not true and that the truth is that the earth is at least four billion years old.Once people thought there had been a world-wide Biblical flood. We now know that is simply not true and that the truth is that at least during the period when there were humans there has never been a world wide flood.Once people believed that humans were a special creation. We now know that is not true and that humans are simply the product of evolution.Science helps us to come to the knowledge of the truth.Edited by Admin, : Fix typos.

Again, you are simply showing your utter ignorance of science, reality or history. Radio Carbon dating is useful for the recent past, maybe sixty thousand years, but evolution has been going on for at least four billion years. So far no one has ever been able to produce any evidence that might support Creationism or ID having any value. Perhaps you might provide some? Maybe you can produce an ounce of Creationism or the Bible. So far you have shown a total lack of understand of either.Have you ever actually read the Bible?

It may be typical of really ignorant teenagers or of lying teenagers but not of reasonably intelligent or educated teenagers but the fact that if there had been a mixup (which there wasn't) it did not concern you at the time and neither did you find out would speak volumes about you were it true.How much carbon is in an Australian penny?If you test an object using radio-carbon dating that returns a reading of no measurable ¹⁴C what age will get returned?Did you not say " I have never believed the methods claimed for dating materials is correct, mainly because I had a coin from 1958 which dated at 2500 years old by radio carbon dating." in Message 557.Stop just making shit up.Again, if you test an object using radio-carbon dating that returns a reading of no measurable ¹⁴C what age will get returned?If the object contains no ¹⁴C or carbon of any form whatsoever what age would you get?In neither case could the answer be 2500 years.When you post absolute absurdities and continue to insist they are not absolute absurdities and in fact true while refusing to provide any support or evidence for your assertions should anything you post be taken seriously? And so you make another absurd assertion and even go so far as to declare that absurd assertions do not require support.You then followup that absurd assertion with a totally false assertion like "Once a person or society has decided to go down a certain track of philosophy which includes denial of the Creator, it is nigh impossible for them to see any evidence of truth outside of their head space." as though anything in either the fact that evolution happened or the Theory of Evolution that explains what is seen denies any creator.Compounding absurd statement with outright false statements does not help your case.

Again you are simply showing that you are not just ignorant but willfully ignorant.I have in fact said just the opposite, that ¹⁴C dating is irrelevant to whether or not Evolution is a fact and the Theory of Evolution is the only explanation for the variety of life we see.Now ¹⁴C dating is another of the hundreds of proofs that neither of the Biblical Floods ever happened. And yet another example of willful ignorance. No expert in chemistry or physics has been able to find any reason that ¹⁴C dating might even be suspect. In fact reality is just the opposite; the experts continually increase the accuracy of ¹⁴C dating and every new technology that has been developed provides direct support and confirmation of ¹⁴C dating.But if you would actually learn the answers to the questions I posed you would see why ¹⁴C dating is so disastrous to the Snake Oil salesmen that try to pedal the Young Earth nonsense.

I tend to agree that categorizing all Christians as less intelligent than any other group or demographic is likely wrong and pretty silly; however there is the Christian Cult of Ignorance that enfolds all the Fundamentalists and most who identify as Biblical Christians that is demonstrably far less educated and far more ignorant than almost any other demographic.Anyone today that claims the Earth is young, that evolution is not fact, that either of the Biblical Floods ever happened, that Exodus happened as described in the Bible or the Conquest of Canaan happened as described in the Bible are at best showing willful ignorance, delusion or just plain lying.But none of that is related to intelligence or what should be taught in schools. As I pointed out back in Message 32:

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I believe that if we hope to ever get an educated citizenry we need to teach evolution (a science subject) and also teach about religion (a social studies or sacred studies subject).

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As I ask in the thread about Should Sacred Studies be part of a general public school curricula, "Should Sacred Studies, the study of religions, their history, their effects on society, the basic tenets of each and inter-relationships be taught as part of the general public education in the US"?

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My answer is "most certainly."

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We cannot ignore the effects that religion has had on the world and all of us living through those effects. Kids should learn that the Jews, Christians and Muslims all worship the same God, the basic tenets of the Eight Fold Path, the writings of Confucius and Mencius, what Taoism says, the Vedas, Greek, Roman, Germanic and Norse mythology.

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Kids should understand the horrific acts done in the name of religion, particularly the Genocide carried out by Christianity.

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Well, we could possibly know that by examining the evidence you provide to support your lies and assertions. But you never provide any evidence or even reasoning to support your assertions. But what is it that we supposedly have sown?

More bullshit.Sorry but what you try to market is just classic Christian Cult of Ignorance bullshit.Mix oxygen and hydrogen and you get water. No program needed. No programmer or agent needed. No designer need apply.Leave water out when the temperature drops below 0C and it freezes and expands. No program needed. No programmer needed. No designer need apply.Nor is there any need for any preloading. Fortunately genetics includes the ability to create whole new combinations with no designer, no program needed.Edited by jar, : appalin spallin

Yeah, JAD used to try to pedal that here himself. He said lots but never offered any support or evidence. But he was fun.I miss Ray too.

Hit & run is a classic Biblical Christian/Creationist/Conman tactic but that does not mean it is not important to hammer home the point that the reason they do run is that their positions are indefensible and nonsense.

As I pointed out back in Message 32" We need to educate our citizenry on the fact that religions, all religions, are the creation of man and that is true across the board.

Except it is filled with fallacies, contradictions, errors and absurdities and the evidence shows it is simply the creation of man as all honest observers will acknowledge.

Which is why schools need to teach the facts about religion to counter the utter ignorance that is typical of the Christian Cult of Ignorance, particularly in the US.It is important the the subject of religion be treated honestly and the dishonesty, particularly common among the Calvinist, Inerrant Bible cults be exposed.The two mutually exclusive flood myths should be taught as well as the two mutually exclusive creation myths and the two mutually exclusive God characters created by the earlier authors of the Genesis 2&3 god and the much later creators of the Genesis 1 god.These are not opinions but rather facts and should be addressed in public education. Then the two different orders of creation found in the myths should be compared to the evidence found in reality.The Earth was not created in the beginning. The Earth was not created before the sun. Not one of the critters mentioned in either of the Genesis Creation myths existed in the beginning of life here on Earth.It is time the Christian Cult of Ignorance and Dishonesty was exposed for the shame and farce it is in reality.All honest thinking Christians should be appalled by it.

The Bible was written by humans, for humans of that particular period and society and is filled with contradiction, absurdities, fantasies, fiction, office memo, and even some worthwhile philosophy with a smattering of history generally concealed in propaganda.The biggest weakness in the Bible is that it's failings are never corrected while science always tests and discards the failings.Edited by jar, : appalin spallin

Because I am a Christian and what I posted in supported by what is actually written in the Bible.