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Colbard writes: The coin story is true No it's not. It simply can't be. The reason is that you can't carbon date a coin. If you sent a coin to a dating lab, it would be returned with a note explaining politely that it's not possible to do what you ask. The best spin I can put on this is that it's a false memory but I don't believe it - I know you've just taken a stupid creationist story and clImed it for your own. Anyway, you've refused to produce anything to back up the multiple wild and clownish claims you've made, so I'm not actually expecting anything from you now.Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Colbard writes: We had top scientists in Australia, examine the evidence for this survey and types like it. That's fantastic, scientists publish their work - evidence at last. What's his name, do you have a citation?Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Now how many creationists would you expect to appear with GG in their name before it becomes more than a coincidence?
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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creation writes: Because we need reason to claim it is so. You have none. So we don't know. That means you can't claim time is a certain way there. This is a science thread, so let's stick to science. There's a very large amount of evidence that tells us that things work the same way elsewhere as they do here. You've been shown some of it. Additionally, despite looking with everything we have, we've found nothing to contradict that. The supported hypothesis therefore is that stuff happens the same way everywhere. So sure, it must remain possible that stuff is different elsewhere, but until there's any evidence at all that that's the case, the hypothesis stands. You're objections are irrational and religious. Come back when you have a case.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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creation writes: Just because something HAPPENS there and is seen here does not mean it takes the same time TO happen! Until you produce evidence to support your assertion, yes it does. So let's hear your case. There's a Nobel Prize at stake here, best to get on with it before you're beaten to it.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Candle2 writes: No offense jar, but I prefer to trust in my own judgement; unless, of course, you were a eyewitness to the event. Were you an eye witness at Christ's resurrection?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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candle2 writes: You ask if I were an eyewitness to the resurrection. The answer is no So your belief doesn't pass your own test. Seems like you have a double standard to me.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Phat writes: Thus to summarize, what we can learn about God can only be spread through the human conduit. Wrong. You know no more about god than I or anybody else. All you can propagate is your own and other's ideas about god - ie Human propoganda. Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Speaking of understanding the subject
Kleinman writes: What I don't accept is this mathematically irrational notion that reptiles can evolve into birds and fish can evolve into mammals. Reptiles didn't evolve into birds and fish didn't evolve into mammals. Species evolve *from* other species. Reptiles did not change into birds. Nor is that silly bumper sticker simplification useful even if you manage to get the terminology right. Anyhow, bit by bit, you're coming out of your closet. An evolution denier who believes in evolution.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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dad writes: So, by not ruling out that there may have been some evolving in the past from created bird kinds to dinos, do I make it into the clique? It's spelt 'clinic'.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Over the past few decades, there have been extensive searches for evidence of variation of fundamental "constants." Among the methods used have been astrophysical observations of the spectra of distant stars, searches for variations of planetary radii and moments of inertia, investigations of orbital evolution, searches for anomalous luminosities of faint stars, studies of abundance ratios of radioactive nuclides, and (for current variations) direct laboratory measurements.
One powerful approach has been to study the "Oklo Phenomenon," a uranium deposit in Gabon that became a natural nuclear reactor about 1.8 billion years ago; the isotopic composition of fission products has permitted a detailed investigation of possible changes in nuclear interactions. Another has been to examine ratios of spectral lines of distant quasars coming from different types of atomic transitions (resonant, fine structure, and hyperfine). The resulting frequencies have different dependences on the electron charge and mass, the speed of light, and Planck's constant, and can be used to compare these parameters to their present values on Earth. Solar eclipses provide another sensitive test of variations of the gravitational constant. If G had varied, the eclipse track would have been different from the one we calculate today, so the mere fact that a total eclipse occurred at a particular location provides a powerful constraint, even if the date is poorly known. So far, these investigations have found no evidence of variation of fundamental "constants." The current observational limits for most constants are on the order of one part in 10 to the 10 to one part in 10 to the 11 per year. So to the best of our current ability to observe, the fundamental constants really are constant. Have physical constants changed with time?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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SoC writes: evolution nor intelligent design should be taught in these ghettos of thought [] the ToE is a narrative, like any other, and has no basis in reality So you disagree with your leader? Yesterday, Pope Francis, the head of the Roman Catholic Church, said that Darwinian evolution is real, and so is the Big Bang, according to the Telegraph. Elsewhere in his speech to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, the Pope said: When we read about Creation in Genesis, we run the risk of imagining God was a magician, with a magic wand able to do everything. But that is not so, Francis said. The Pope Would Like You to Accept Evolution and the Big Bang | Smart News|
Smithsonian MagazineJe suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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SoC writes: isn't it amazing when I can disagree with the leader of my faith community and still be in communion with the roman catholic church? Had you done that in any age other than the modern one you would have been tortured and then burnt at the stake as a heretic. Dangerous business disagreeing with the pope. God's representative on earth and all. Isn't it amazing what secular institutions can achieve? And btw, you're doing no more than all religious believers do - pick 'n mix, cafeteria beliefs. You're still making it up.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Why are you here Kleinman? I write scientific papers for scientific publications - nothing to do with what we discuss here - the very last thing I would do is take my reseach to a place like this.
You're a no-hope crank aren't you? Can't get heard where you should get heard so you come to places like this and troll? Oddly, there are people here that could help you - obviously you have some training and ability but equally obviously you've lost your way. If you actually listened to your critics you might make some headway. Don't bother replying.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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A troll and a crank. I'm out.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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