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Hyroglyphx
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Message 391 of 505 (872015)
02-18-2020 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 390 by RAZD
02-18-2020 11:21 AM


Re: robots
The problem I see is that to absorb the growing workforce in a climate of shrinking jobs due to automation, either the number of companies increases dramatically (and what do they produce when all needs are met with current production), or we have make-work programs run by the government/s similar to what occurred post depression, or there has to be support for non-workers. This could be grants for art projects, grants for pure science or people just being paid to be consumers and thus support the economy. Coops of people supported by government funding could also work on going to space, building the equipment etc.
Could.
But in a capitalistic society it likely won't and there will be widespread poverty.
During the Industrial Revolution it was feared that automation would put millions of people out of work. While its true that automating made a human assembly line obsolete, it didn't take away a job without creating others in their place. If automation is done too quickly, I would surmise that there could potentially be a problem that former presidential candidate Andrew Yang spoke of. But his message failed to recognize that while some jobs become obsolete, so many others have been created as a result of technological advancements.
How many IT related jobs were there during the Industrial Revolution? Zero. How many are there today? Millions.... Tens of millions actually. And in fact, it is still an underserved market. They can't find people fast enough to meet the demand, especially with the advent of Artificial Intelligence. This is something dumbass Trump doesn't understand. He wants more Americans doing more computer science. Well, so do I, but even with millions more of Americans getting into fields like computer science it still would not meet the demand, thus still requiring outsourcing or encouraging immigrants to come to America on work visas. Those people are going to work for someone in that field, so I'd rather it be in America, Canada, Australia, the UK, etc versus China or Russia. Don't turn away good talent, embrace them as your own.
The reality is that some jobs will become obsolete... and something else will take its place. But, if as Andrew Yang suggests, that overnight truckers would be replaced by self-driving trucks, it would be fairly catastrophic. But there is no sign that it would happen overnight. Self-driving cars have been tested for about a decade and they are still not online en masse. There will be jobs in 10 years that we've never even considered possible.
If we can understand evolution in biological terms it should come as no surprise that the labor market operates in a similar way.
Did the invention of the telephone make telegraph operators obsolete? Yup, no dispute. Did it just create new jobs in the telephone industry? Sure did and in fact created way more jobs than it replaced. Evolution is inevitable.
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Hyroglyphx
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Message 401 of 505 (872122)
02-20-2020 1:44 PM
Reply to: Message 399 by LamarkNewAge
02-20-2020 10:48 AM


Re: Sanders beats Trump 50 to 45 in North Carolina.
Survey USA had a massive 2400 voter poll and Sanders wins by 5 in North Carolina. Bloomberg was up 6 over Trump.
This means that Sanders is doing as well in NC as he did in the national general election poll the same polling outfit just took.
Sanders outperformed most of the moderates in NC and also in a new Florida poll where he is 48 to 48 with Trump. But Bloomberg wins 50 to 44 and Biden 49 to 48. Buttigieg and Klobuchar loose 48 to 44.
And nearly every major poll predicted that Clinton would wipe her ass with Trump in 2016... But we see how that turned out. Polling is a lot like betting... odds matter, but if you lose was any of it helpful in determining the actual result?
Political polling is total bullshit for a number reasons.
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Hyroglyphx
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Message 404 of 505 (872158)
02-21-2020 9:38 AM
Reply to: Message 402 by LamarkNewAge
02-20-2020 10:24 PM


Re: Sanders beats Trump 50 to 45 in North Carolina.
The 2016 polls were accurate. Not just the national polls but also the state polls.
I just showed you how they were inaccurate. There was supposed to be a landslide victory for Clinton that did not happen. Even why some states who usually vote blue voted red that election.
Sanders got screwed in 2016 over the electability issue and the crazy thing is that it was not even the issue of just the question about being unable to win the GENERAL election BUT the presumed inability to win the necessary delegates FOR THE PRIMARY was used to successfully get Democratic voters to reject him in the primary. Voters were brainwashed in the Democratic primary and it seemed like an exceptional case unlike typical brainwashing that always happens.
Sanders was plenty electable then and he is plenty electable now. Its a little weird that you went into that much detail without talking about the elephant in the room which was Debbie Wasserman and the DNC hit job against Bernie. The powers that be saw to it that no one will stand in the way of Clinton. She did not want what happened to her when Obama unexpectedly beat her to happen to her again under a Sanders ticket. So the political machine that is the DNC went to work undermining Bernie. And it wouldn't surprise me if their pick is Biden or Warren this go around. Just like Ron Paul had huge grassroots support, the RNC wasn't about to let him ruin their run. That is how I see Bernie... A massive grassroots support that is quietly undermined by people at the top.
I have never seen or heard of anything quite like the 2016 Democratic primary for President of the United States.
Because the US continues to think that electronic voting is not susceptible to hacking... meanwhile the DNC conspires against Bernie and Russia conspires against the DNC.
But back to my point.... polling is harmful to the electoral process, as it acts as a self-fulfilling prophecy. Consider this: the media is biased as all get out. Certain organizations have their pick just like anyone else. Some are unscrupulous enough to use their position to not cover news but to manufacture it. They may mislead their viewers into believing that so-and-so candidate is unelectable and will treat them like the 13th floor.
It happened big time to Ron Paul, who was very popular and threatening to the Bush dynasty, it then happened to Bernie in 2016 and it has since happened to Tulsi Gabbard who has been effectively silenced. After she wiped her ass with Kamala Harris she was not invited back to the next debate even though she was the most viewed candidate at that time. Gee, that's odd...
Polling is a useless practice. It forces people into choosing the lesser of evils instead of voting on principles. And at this point we don't have an actual democracy anymore, we just have the illusion of it.
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"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 408 of 505 (872185)
02-21-2020 9:30 PM
Reply to: Message 406 by ringo
02-21-2020 12:06 PM


Re: Sanders beats Trump 50 to 45 in North Carolina.
Hmm. I don't get that impression in Canada. Mind you, I only follow the real media - i.e. CBC and CTV - not every goober on the Internet who has an opinion.
The media the in the UK and Canada is noticeably better as there seems to be a greater emphasis on an impartial reporting of the facts and journalistic integrity. That used to exist in the US but its been replaced by Infotainment. The news in the US is supposed to entertain you, not inform you.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 421 of 505 (872583)
02-29-2020 12:19 AM
Reply to: Message 418 by Coragyps
02-27-2020 6:22 PM


Re: Scurry County Early votting tally
And from a different portion of Texas than Jar lives in, we have some different early voting totals:
Republican 979
Democratic 55
Yes, dear folk, Texas is weird.
Border cities in Texas tend to vote Democrat... take a guess why that might be. Big cities tend to be fairly distributed with a slightly higher emphasis on Democratic voting. "Middle America" Texas is still very, very red. Austin (Travis County) is as liberal as it gets in Texas, but one county to the north (Williamson) its hardcore Republican based.
Overall though Texas is not nearly as blood red as it once was.... it is quickly becoming a purple state, like Florida. On any given Sunday a democrat or a republican can win.
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Hyroglyphx
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Message 489 of 505 (875549)
04-28-2020 1:22 PM
Reply to: Message 484 by marc9000
04-24-2020 5:14 PM


Re: Cuomo for President
Who else here wants to see Cuomo plugged in as Biden's replacement?
I would rather see a salamander high on Methamphetamine to be a replacement to Biden. I don't understand why the DNC has still not learned from their gross miscalculations from the last election. They conspired against Bernie then to plug in Clinton, who might as well be the devil incarnate to most people on earth, as their go to.
Then they again politically assassinated anyone halfway competent to play the role as president and to beat Trump.
Who did they choose? Creepy uncle Joe, who has fondness for inappropriately touching and fondling pubescent girls, cannot go five sentences without inserting some kind of stupid gaffe, and recently has the cognitive ability of a 4 year old. This is your guy to beat Trump???
Trump will bury this guy alive, make him look so stupid on stage, and will rile Joe up so much that he'll probably resort to physically challenging Trump to a fist fight.
This guy is such a disaster.
Even supposing the majority of people hate Trump so much that they're willing to pick anyone against him, how competent do you think Biden will be as president? He can't even remember where he is half the time but he's going to run the country?
Seems like one of two inevitabilities will occur. His cognition will degrade so much that he's all but removed from office for the safety and security of the United States or he will die in office, which means whoever is really pulling the strings in his administration had better pick wisely as to his vice president.
I still can't believe these are our options for another election cycle.... a tyrannical megalomaniacal narcissist or a mentally challenged female fondler that flies off the handle.
Congratulations, Democrats... you just got Donald Trump reelected twice. You have no one to blame but yourselves.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 493 of 505 (875582)
04-29-2020 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 491 by AZPaul3
04-28-2020 4:49 PM


Re: Cuomo for President
Ok, not my 1st thru 15th choice but he's not Trump and that is all that matters at this point.
My point is that I doubt very seriously that he can beat Trump and, even supposing he can, he is not competent to his own shoes let alone run the nation.
So now what? Waste your vote and stay home to sulk? That's pretty much what happened last time isn't it. Worked out real well for the nation and the world didn't it.
What are you talking about? Trump suggests that we "inject ultraviolet light and powerful disinfectants" directly into the bloodstream. This man is clearly a goddamn genius!!!!
But seriously though, I can't subscribe to the "anybody but ______" voting strategy. I would rather write in someone halfway competent than, again, going with the lesser of evils strategy. How has that worked out for us so far?
Who do you want making decisions in the Oval Office? Joe Biden and his covey of Democratic Party advisors or that Orange Bastard who listens to no one but his own narcissistic fantasies?
There is a third option....... Seppuku.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 494 of 505 (875583)
04-29-2020 1:49 PM
Reply to: Message 492 by marc9000
04-28-2020 7:19 PM


Re: Cuomo for President
IMHO, this is what happened - the Democrats needed a second coming of Obama or Bill Clinton. They had several possibilities, Buttigieg, Booker, O'Rourke, Klobuchar, Yang. But they were new to the game, while Sanders had so much popularity in his pocket left over from the 2016 campaign.
Obama was new to the game also. He wasn't even a Senator for three years before coming seemingly out of nowhere to steal an election that most people thought Clinton had in the bag. That could have happened again until the DNC decided to politically assassinate any credible opposition to who they think poses the most formidable challenge to Trump. Joe Biden is an institution in American politics... This is why Obama picked him as VP. But his time has passed and he needs to retire.
Biden's usefulness is largely over.
I'm beginning to suspect this is the DNC's strategy. He's a useful idiot to them. His cognition is just going to get worse with time and he'll probably die in office and they must know it. But he's the safest choice to beat Trump. They are probably banking on giving Biden an excellent running mate who, like Cheney, will be the one really pulling the strings and eventually, like LBJ, will take control of the White House.
The people sensed something genuine in Sanders -- a rare trait among politicians. He has proven to be like Ron Paul and Ross Perot in their time -- dark horses that can siphon huge amounts of votes away while having the inability to actually win. This must be how the DNC views him and so they have politically assassinated him a second and final time.
I hope you're right, but I'm not that optimistic. There might not even be a presidential debate, Trump might refuse them considering the mike-cutting games, and other games that the mainstream media will use during any debates. They hate Trump 10 times worse than their news reporting ancestors hated Nixon 47 years ago. They are a BIG asset to any Democrat candidate.
The Democrats greatest enemy is other Democrats. There is this dog-eat-dog mentality that they've adopted. If you don't check all the little social engineering boxes that they want, they'll turn on you in a heartbeat and smear you as "Alt-Right adjacent." They have underestimated how sick to death America is of political correctness. The country in fact wanted somebody with balls and who didn't play by the usual rules. This, along with Russian interference, is what secured Trump's victory.
I am in an unusual position. In general I have never been a Democrat, never wanted to be a Democrat and never considered voting for a Democrat.... until Donald Trump came along. While I understand America's frustration with the AOC's of this world, a clear megalomaniac who is in this only for his own vanity is not the answer.
I really, really liked Tulsi Gabbard. Level-headed, centrist, competent.... She wasn't far enough to the Right to win over lunatic Trump supporters and not far enough to the Left to ever be considered a contender by leftwing demagogues. After she smashed Kamala Harris she was summarily executed by the media and ushered out of the debates without just cause. She's actually in the middle of a lawsuit over it, but I digress.
Cheer up, Biden with a good vice president, the news media doing everything in their power to cover for him, and ANY downturn in world affairs including economic, medical, or any military action taken by anyone from now until November, will be skillfully blamed on Trump. And a lot of swing voters will swallow it.
There is nothing to cheer for. This is basically as bad as Clinton/Trump for me... Its the worst possible scenario imaginable -- so surreal and cartoonish that you swear we're living inside of a parody.
I still cannot believe this is real life... and still cannot believe how many people have rolled over, died, and accepted this fate.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 496 of 505 (875586)
04-29-2020 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 495 by Diomedes
04-29-2020 2:10 PM


Re: Cuomo for President
Even I concur with that notion. And it is something Obama himself chimed in on in regards to 'cancel culture' and the incessant predilection of focusing on identity politics.
I'm so glad he did. The Oppression Olympics is really growing tiresome. We need sane and sound minds to steer us back from the brink.
The fixation on AOC also was beyond frustrating. I am sorry, but she is basically the Sarah Palin of the Democratic party. And placing her on an undeserved pedestal did the Democrats no favors.
Completely agree.
Now the $64,000 dollar question is: who is the likely VP nominee? I think Sanders supporters would like to see him selected. But having two old men is likely not going to be the tactical solution.
I have a sneaking suspicion that they will choose Warren, but I also think they might go for someone more youthful.
Looking at the candidate pool, it is difficult for me to gauge who would be best suited in the VP role. I think some may push for Kamala Harris. Maybe not a bad option, but that could energize Trump's base because anyone coming from, ahem, 'Commiefornia' might end up having too much baggage. (No offense to the Californians on this forum)
I don't trust Kamala Harris. She reeks of self-servitude and corruption to me.
I also liked Tulsi Gabbard and I think she might have made sense as a VP option. But like you indicated, the media decided to undermine her and that may have now made it non-viable for her to enter the fray.
If he chose her I would immediately vote for Biden. She goes both ways though. She does have the ability to bring over swing voters like me. She's Center-Left, which might as well be Center-Right to disaffected right-leaning people like me who think Trump is dangerous. Don't be fooled by FOX News, there are a legion of people like me. But the Democrats might really not like her for not being left enough. They may demand that he choose someone with more appeal to their likes.
I guess the one name that could be floated now is Cuomo. He has become pretty popular as a result of his response to Covid-19. He seems to have a fair amount of respect and doesn't appear too much on the fringe. And based on the sentiment of many Democrats feeling he should be the person running for president, if he is chosen as a VP option, that might tip the scales in the Democrats favor come November.
Yeah, he's managed to secure this kind of Mayor Gulliani fan base that was popular on the right. A no nonsense, back to basics Democrat with a growing fan base. He would certainly not be the worst option, especially if he continues to ride this wave of success.

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Message 502 of 505 (875606)
04-30-2020 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 499 by AZPaul3
04-30-2020 11:17 AM


Re: Cuomo for President
defunding the WHO in the midsts of a global pandemic in an anti-China tantrum
Not to derail the conversation and I would absolutely agree that this is hardly the time to play politics with the WHO and China, but there is good evidence to suggest that the WHO protects China who is lying through their teeth about Covid-19. Only an idiot would believe that China's cases have suddenly disappeared. They're also desperately trying to say that the disease did not come from their disgusting, tepid wet markets.
The WHO is also conspiring on behalf of China, most likely because they are a huge donor, by playing ball in assisting China in denying Taiwan's independence. This is actually pretty comical.
The leader of the WHO has also leveled accusations of 'racism' against the Taiwanese government in the most underhanded way. Oh, but I thought Taiwan is just a province of China? So then isn't the Chinese that are being "racist" against the current leader of the WHO? Which is it, cuz you can't have it both ways?
China is a quagmire for the United States. On the one hand we are each others largest trading partners. Both countries have trillions of dollars wrapped up in each other in a symbiotic relationship. But China very clearly is playing the long game with the United States in efforts to supplant the US has the world leader. No country has engaged in more corporate espionage than China.
They have suppressed the freedom of their own people through censorship and assassinations. They have additionally reeked havoc on Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Tibet, constantly denying them true autonomy.
The PRC is disgusting. On the one hand I like that Trump pushes back against their tyranny, but the manner in which he does it endangers the world by setting up a huge military conflict that is poised to become World War III. Trump tries too hard to be a tough guy and has zero finesse for how to effectively reign in China.
As to the WHO, their blatant pandering to China should be called out.... but this is not the time to do it. Defunding them at this stage only serves to kill more people. Contain the virus and then we can talk about their games.
betrayal of military allies leading to unnecessary suffering, abandonment of environmental protocols at the behest of his business lobbyists, the gutting of environmental, pollution, education and banking regulations while the nation is distracted by COVID-19, and the list goes on
No argument with the rest.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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