My Book On Evolution

Did you compose it here without prior rough drafts or did you actually spend a couple of years writing and revising it? I'm gonna take a few moments to be your critic, Mikey. Better me than someone who actually thinks Stephen Hawking was right! For the record, what defines an "evolutionist"? Is there something in common that non-creationists believe? What is "it"? Are you simply claiming the concept of evolution to be a monolithic world view? If so, be more specific on what a Mikey-professed "evolutionist" would believe to be true, based on their studies. I would like to see someone comment on whether or not they believe that humans are still evolving and what we predict we will ultimately become if in fact there is an endgame to it. Does not Creationism also state this, through Adam & Eve?Chapter 1 claims that there is no middle.Finally, (and as a bit of humor) is this book evolving, or is it being created?

Indeed not. Perhaps the "book" that you call fiction can shed some light on an answer, or at the very least a most definite belief. If you ask Christian believers what they see as the future of humanity, they will consider the scriptures, unless they have been deluded by their own intellects. . Granted we disagree as to the reasoning and meaning of Genesis. jar thinks it is simply human written "just-so" stories. Perhaps jar thinks that the entire Bible was written, edited, and imagined by humans. You do too, and likely think that it was intended to be fictional. And thus the worldview of many of our EvC members is that in which humans and humans alone are responsible for the world we create. After all, why even entertain the ideas in "Bronze Age Myths" when the evidence clearly shows that humans used religion and religious texts and authority to further their own supposed evolutionary development into being "as gods".Hey, I get it. I even understand why some of you think and believe that there is no "God" and that the very story of Jesus Christ may well have been a myth. You were taught this belief. It makes evidential sense to you. Nevermind talking snakes and getting swallowed by fish....we could chalk that stuff up as metaphorical, as well as a Great Flood.The central story of the Bible, as believed by many Christians today, is that humans were and are defiant, wise in our own eyes, dismissive of Jesus Christ (more so than any other religious figure in literature and mythos) and cautiously confidant of our own ability to make a brave new world...even today with the Covid-19 drama. What is the destiny of humanity?
And yet this scientific belief known as evolution implies newness through time. Perhaps it implies that humans will either gain the wisdom to survive or will indeed go extinct. Surely we need to have a global consensus and plan. Surely we need to get along.Many of you would say that surely belief in God is going backward in this new age of progress. Tangle limits God to a character in a book and defies anyone to prove differently.He cannot prove that when a believer prays they don't actually have a communion with a Creator of all seen and unseen. But nevermind, it appears that around here objective evidence is necessary. Thankfully, so is freedom of speech. So I continue.Hey, Tangle, I get your logic. You claim that at one time you were a believer. It is said that adult belief in Jesus as a living prescence is much the same as a chjilds belief in Santa Claus. I believed both, and can only give my own opinion. Even as a child, though I held to a belief in Santa Claus, I knew at a very young age that he did not exist. I simply engaged in a psychological practice known as Suspension of DisbeliefIt was not the same with Jesus. Once I accepted Him into my heart, there was a most definite wholesale change in my feelings, perceptions, and awareness.Granted the stories are illogical from a rationally minded point of view. Personally, I think that Biblical Creationists pick the wrong intellectual battle to focus on. I personally believe that the Bible is metaphorically literal in thought for thought context and not word for word literal. I make my stand on the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I see Him as God's character in human form....more than simply another great philosopher or thinker. I believe that when I pray to Him and commune with Him I am not simply inventing a comforting character in my own mind. I have felt the difference. I have encountered the Holy presence. Does that mean that I am loony? To believe that humans are capable of eventually describing more and more of what is seen as evidential is not as likely in my mind. (and heart) And it is through the heart that humanity will fail. We have no reason to deny the One who died for us. It's our own egos and reasoning that indeed seeks any answer except the religious one that defeats us in the end.There are many great scientists who are believers. Their belief does not interfere with their scientific methodology nor is there even a commonsense worldview that challenges them. I can fully understand many questions being raised.

Why does God care if we believe? Tangle wonders about free will in Heaven as if he could simply be there and keep his current worldview intact. I won't argue with him....perhaps he is right, but it will be God's authority (and not simple reality) that even allows him to dwell there. Personally I see all of you being transformed, once enough chaos and craziness of humanity manifests on the global news. I do predict, however, that Christians will be shut down (in the interest of public safety) rather than allowed to simply preach their belief. To me, this will confirm that humanity as a whole will have gone with scientific evidence rather than belief in God. I pray that anyone who reads this will reconsider. Finally, what harm does belief in God do for your life? How does it cripple you?

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The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. Anne Lamott
Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

You would have to ask Him, of course. This question does not keep me up at night, that's for sure. Not sure I understand this question. What do you mean "why is here necessary? " You mean the "experiment" that I suggest God may be conducting? The obvious answer is to build and develop human character in the face of ongoing adversity. And you get that but don't accept it---choosing instead to indict a hypothetical "God" should He support that strategy. And you can't get for the life of you why most believers don't share your accusations against such a god. I'm not sure that you understand what it is like to be a believer. It is not like Santa Claus. It is being internally and objectively certain that GOD exists through Jesus Christ and that Jesus is alive and present today. You claim that you willfully talked yourself out of "such bollocks" but I would believe this to be true evidence be damned. Once one has actually met somebody, one cannot deny the existence of such a person. But thats a discussion for another sermon.And before you scold me, I am quite clear that you claim to give my concept of God no more thought than you would Zeus. I get that.

Do you think that I want to be persecuted? I'm a spoiled brat! Jesus did that work...why should I have to do it?? Oh, I know....scripture suggests that I too will be persecuted. I don't want any human to be persecuted for any reason, even if they do evil things. At best, I would want the demons that claim them to be wiped out, so you can use that statement to proclaim me certifiably nuts.

There are a plethora of evidential claims regarding Biblical origins. As for reality, the reality is not what it seems. My basic question to you is how you can in good conscience steer Christians towards what *they* are responsible to do and to essentially dismiss God as simply evolving characters within human mythos.Don't get me wrong, I see your "evidence" and have followed your arguments.I have asserted that you do not represent Christianity the way that it should in fact be represented, whereas you then counter that the Christianity that I attempt to follow and market is "an apologetic marketing fantasy". When I protest and challenge you on this point, you admittedly do present an intellectually persuasive argument that an unbeliever could follow as well as or better than a believer. You are true to your conclusions. I had to dig for the story of Virginia. I am still evaluating my ideas regarding your belief but I respect that you are honest.

In which case I would argue that you never did. At best, you saw God as a kid sees Santa Claus. How many kids do you know that had a personal relationship with Santa Claus?

So whats your first-hand observations about Jesus Freaks who actually had a personal relationship with Jesus? Did any of them have a peace about them? Did they help encourage others? Did they respect you enough to never actively try and convert you? Just curious.

Explains why you reject authority figures and chalk them up to human mythos. Perhaps God created you to be an arguer. Iron sharpens iron.